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Re: "Hormetic" responses are intrinsic to biology
Oak Ridge calutron records show producing K-39 for biology experiments.
Charlie Willis reported personal knowledge on the March 1996 NRC transcript
(gave you the NRC web site URL). Argonne's 1980s paramecia experiments were
done with a vial from Oak Ridge dated 1962 contaminated by being recovered
from animal experiments. There's no question that Oak Ridge did the
experiments. The only question is whether Willis is right that they were not
reported because of the LNT. Since you didn't find any reports, why
If you're trying to imply that there's no K-39 data, we've been there before
also. The paramecia study at Argonne, Luckey, Rad Research, 1986, 108,
215-221. An extract is, again, on our web site. See the first item at:
http://cnts.wpi.edu/RSH/Data_Docs/1-3/2/132list.html
Jim
on 10/11/02 11:37 AM, Jacobus, John (NIH/OD/ORS) at jacobusj@ors.od.nih.gov
wrote:
> Jim,
> I am not confirming the suppression of this experiment. I am asking if the
> experiments were even performed, and so far I have not seen anything that
> confirms or denies the existence of the studies. (Sorry, Jim, I really
> can't take your word for it. You may also have been misinformed.) I am
> glad to see you are asking others on this list, because it shows you really
> do not have any definitive information, either.
>
> It seems to me that you would also like to confirm these experiments, as
> they would give strong support to the idea that low dose, low dose rates of
> irradiation are essential for cellular function. However, I question if
> these K-40 depleted experiments are is true. Why would a small dose
> difference have such a significant affect on cell or animal viability. I
> have a hard time believing the that 0.06 mSv/y we receive from the P-32 in
> out body contributes any significant affect to us, when our annual
> background dose, including radon, is about 360 mSv.
>
> Where did you get your information that these experiments were done? Is all
> the information anecdotal? If so, to me that puts it in the category of an
> urban legend, like the HIV needle in the seat cushions. It seems
> interesting you have some details about the production of the denatured
> potassium, but no biological data.
>
> Have a good weekend.
>
> -- John
> John Jacobus, MS
> Certified Health Physicist
> 3050 Traymore Lane
> Bowie, MD 20715-2024
>
> E-mail: jenday1@email.msn.com (H)
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Muckerheide [mailto:muckerheide@attbi.com]
> Sent: Friday, October 11, 2002 8:32 AM
> To: Jacobus, John (NIH/OD/ORS); radsafe@list.vanderbilt.edu
> Subject: Re: "Hormetic" responses are intrinsic to biology
>
>
> on 10/10/02 10:59 AM, Jacobus, John (NIH/OD/ORS) at jacobusj@ors.od.nih.gov
> wrote:
>
>> By the way, I still have not gotten anything on the K-40 depleted
> potassium
>> experiments? Is there ANYTHING in the literature?
>
> You confirm that publication of the Oak Ridge experiments was suppressed.
> This covers more than the 1958 experiments reported by Charlie Willis, and
> the K-39 dated 1962 that had been recovered from animal experiments sent to
> Argonne in 1982 for the paramecia experiments. (Argonne also spent $75,000
> for K-39 from Oak Ridge around 1983-4.)
>
> Does anyone on this list have any more info?
> . . .
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