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RE: Shipyard workers etc[Scanned]



Daniel Strom,

I would like to expand on an observation I made in an earlier comment. I

believe the 'healthy worker effect' can only be expected if there is

some form of medical screening.  In the case of the Nuclear Shipyard

Worker Study that is true for the Nuclear Worker groups (plus 3-yearly

medicals for the higher exposed cohort), but apparently the Non-NW group

was not medically screened and also contained those that had failed the

medical screening for radworkers (which included things like family

health history, etc.).  In that case I see nothing unexpected or

sinister in the control cohort more or less reflecting the American

average. IMHO the lack of medical screening does put a question mark on

the validity of the control cohort.  It might be more correct to compare

the low dose (<0.5 rem) and higher dose cohorts, which both had the same

screening (although there was still a difference in routine medical

supervision). There seems to be hardly any significant mortality

differences between these two cohorts (although these cohorts might not

be well controlled in terms of relevant parameters like age, duration,

etc.).

Own thoughts.

Chris Hofmeyr

chofmeyr@nnr.co.za





-----Original Message-----

From: Thurman Wenzl [mailto:tbwenzl@YAHOO.COM]

Sent: 05 February 2003 01:10

To: radsafe@list.vanderbilt.edu

Subject: Shipyard workers etc[Scanned]





I know it's a little late to be following up on this

dialog of nearly a month ago, but I didn't notice if

anyone pointed out that the Matanoski study, never

having appeared in the peer-reviewed literature, is

available from CEDR - at (I think) cedr.lbl.gov (all

452 pages)



On dose distributions, she reported that about 9% of

her monitored cohort had cum doses above 5 rem, while

Rinsky (1981 Lancet on Portsmouth shipyard only)

reported about 11.3% above that point (with a median

of 540 mrem).



NIOSH is following up on the Rinsky study.



Thurman Wenzl

..usual disclaimers..; these are my own thoughts.



From: "Strom, Daniel J" <strom@PNL.GOV> 

Date: Thu, 09 Jan 2003 15:17:38 -0800 

Reply-To: "Strom, Daniel J" <strom@PNL.GOV> 

Sender: owner-radsafe@list.vanderbilt.edu 



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Ted,



The NWs were quite comparable to other working groups

in non-shipyard

studies, regardless of dose. The result that sticks

out like a sore thumb in

the NSWS is the NNWs, not the NWs. The NNWs

systematically differ from NWs

and NNWs in other cohorts. This result is inconsistent

with other rad and

non-rad occupational epidemiology studies.



- Dan Strom







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