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Re: respiratory tract dose - let's end the debate (simple as 1, 2, 3)
I like #3 in particular. That's worth quoting.
Wouldn't it be nice if there was a RADSAFE code of manners that said...
"Be helpful if we decide to respond and be
quiet if we choose not to be helpful"
Can we vote this in somehow. I motion to make this a RADSAFE rule of etiquette.
Jim Blute
(yes I am chuckling as I hit the send button, as one does when he wishes for the improbable)
>>> "NIXON, Grant (Kanata)" <GNIXON@MDS.Nordion.com> 05/15/03 02:14PM >>>
Dear all,
I can honestly tell that the people involved in the fray are capable of
great things when they put their minds to it. But I worry that we are doing
everybody a huge disservice by browbeating one another on this listserve.
The sooner we drop this particular line and tone in dialogue, the fewer
people will unsubscribe out of disgust.
In the meantime:
(1) Let's agree that Bill has raised some valid concerns regarding
competence and ethics issues that come into play when people are tasked with
domains beyond their particular sphere of expertise or experience.
(2) Let's also agree that one cannot make a determination of an individual's
competence (nor should one be made) based on the academic credentials
affixed to their names (e.g., CHP, Ph.D., etc.), by their current function,
nor by their line of questioning on this listserve.
(3) Finally, let's agree to be helpful if we decide to respond and to be
quiet if we choose not to be helpful - even for reasons that we may perceive
to be 'ethical'.
Grant
-----Original Message-----
From: William V Lipton [mailto:liptonw@DTEENERGY.COM]
Sent: Thursday, May 15, 2003 11:47 AM
To: Todd Brautigam
Cc: radsafe@list.vanderbilt.edu
Subject: Re: Fwd: Re: respiratory tract dose
You are taking my words out of context. I was responding to the statement
that a facility with low level operations does not need a CHP. I agree.
Nevertheless, an individual who is qualified for his normal job
responsibilities may occasionally be faced with tasks that are beyond his
competence. That's what the code of ethics covers, and that is what
consultants are for. That is NOT what Radsafe is for.
As I previously stated, it's important for a professional to recognize when
a task exceeds his area of competence and to obtain qualified help. I do
NOT consider trolling Radsafe to be a good faith effort to obtain qualified
help.
I merely quoted the code of ethics. I'll let the individuals involved be
the judge of whether they are following the code.
The opinions expressed are strictly mine.
It's not about dose, it's about trust.
Curies forever.
Bill Lipton
liptonw@dteenergy.com
Todd Brautigam wrote:
> Bill,
>
> While your specific written words do not SAY he is unqualified, the
insinuation is definitely there.
>
> Specifically -
>
> "If you are a member of the Health Physics Society, I point out that the
HPS code of
> ethics includes the statement, "Each member shall be a judge of his/her
competence and
> will not undertake any assignment beyond his/her abilities." I assume
that the AIHA
> has a similar code of ethics."
>
> **AND**
>
> " I would caution any "kind sole" who is considering responding to this,
that it's one
> thing having a general discussion or steering a qualified person to an
overlooked
> reference. It's quite another to be performing calculations for a
licensing document
> that the NRC will be using to determine whether this facility and its
personnel can
> safely handle the requested radioactive materials."
>
> I took your response as questioning his qualifications and thinking he was
asking someone to do the calculations. In fact, he did not ask for that...
only for the materials (equations and constants) addressing his situation.
He even says that he wants to work out the problem himself. That statement
does NOT mean he is unqualified. If YOU can sit down and do everything that
YOUR job MAY require without referring to relevant documents or asking for
assistance, more power to you. Personally, I like to self-check no matter
how well I may know my duties... and that is something we should all do
religiously.
>
> Todd Brautigam
> (207) 882-4506
>
> "I was told to expect the
> unexpected, but the
> unexpected has exceeded
> my expectations."
>
> >>> William V Lipton <liptonw@DTEENERGY.COM> 05/15/03 08:21AM >>>
> Your posting shows that you did not read my message. In the future,
please do
> so before trying to respond.
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