Re: Fwd: Debate Sunshine

[hflong@postoffice.pacbell.net]

Sunshine - and other radiation wavelengths - increasingly seem to be

essential to good health (in amounts up to 10 or 100 times what most

Americans get), according to most participants in Doctors for Disaster

Preparedness discussions yesterday and the day before in Phoenix.



We are not "radiation apologists", and better detection to avoid high

level radiation was a major subject.  I bought one of Shane Conners

"Nucalert' to wear on my keychain (see www.radmeters4U.com)



Are health physicists going to cede dosing of "vitamin R" (as

anesthesiologist Ken Noel calls it), to others?  Cannot some CHPs adjust

to new knowlege? I have to take my family practice board exams every 6

years. Would every 10 years be too often for CHPs to catch up with

materials like those on Muckerheide's website, via

jmuckerheide@cnts.wpi.edu?



Howard Long

  



"George J. Vargo" wrote:

> 

> John, Bill,

> 

> I collectively refer to these folks as the "radiation apologists" -- i.e.

> those for whom "radiation protection" means protecting radiation's good

> name.

> 

> A thought:  "Never wrestle with a pig.  The pig merely enjoys it, and an

> onlooker cannot distinguish between the two."    Source, unknown, but not

> unappreciated.

> 

> George J. Vargo, Ph.D., CHP

> Senior Scientist

> MJW Corporation

> http://www.mjwcorp.com

> 610-925-3377

> 610-925-5545 (fax)

> vargo@physicist.net

> 

> -----Original Message-----

> From: owner-radsafe@list.vanderbilt.edu

> [mailto:owner-radsafe@list.vanderbilt.edu] On Behalf Of John Jacobus

> Sent: Sunday, July 06, 2003 3:32 PM

> To: Field, R. William

> Cc: radsafe

> Subject: Re: Fwd: Debate

> 

> Bill,

> I am sorry to hear about your problems with the

> "Radiation and Safety Health" gang.  Of course, you

> probably should have realized very shortly after the

> exchange started the nature of their agenda.  You,

> afterall, challenged two of their beliefs.  First,

> radiation is good for you. Second, everyone who

> disagrees with us is wrong, an member of the NCRP,

> ICRP, etc., "mafia."

> 

> They provide in number of articles and links that

> support their view.  Woe be you if you ever question

> any of it.  I have had experiences with their

> arguements, which basically boil down to bombardments

> of e-mails and name-calling. There is really no

> difference between them and the extreme anit-nuclear

> is they feel they have the "truth" on their side.

> They purport to have science on their side.  All they

> have is narrow view that they intend to force down

> other's throats.

> 

> I hope you had a good weekend.

> 

> --- "Field, R. William" <bill-field@uiowa.edu> wrote:

> 

> ---------------------------------

> And yet another debate, I just sent the following

> email tomy former coworker at UC Berkeley, Pete

> Vernig.   Seeattachment -

> 

> --------------- Text of forwarded message

> ---------------

> Date: Thu, 03 Jul 2003 14:22:38-0500

> To: "Vernig, Peter G." <Peter.Vernig@med.va.gov>

> From: "Field, R. William" <bill-field@uiowa.edu>

> Subject: Debate

> 

> Pete,

> 

>  I think your suggestion was a good one, although I am

> not sure how it would go. I was asked to debate

> someone on the topic of residential radon for the

> journal, Medical Physics.  The journal had a tough

> time finding someone and then asked Cohen to do it.

> We both sent in our opening argument, but Cohen was

> asked to leave the debate when he continually refused

> to reference assertions he made in the debate.  As you

> can see, Dr. Cohen and I have been communicating off

> list also, which adds to my further frustration.

> 

> I suggested Phillpe Duport and we ended up having a

> very enrichingdebate, see attachment.

> 

> I had to delete my epirad address, I was getting at

> least 8 disgustingemails a day from the Radiation

> Safety and health Group as well asnumerous non

> understandable posts fron Howard Long.

> My new email address is niton@mchsi.com, but feel free

> to email me at myUniversity email address.

> 

> Bill

> 

> =====

> -- John

> John Jacobus, MS

> Certified Health Physicist

> e-mail:  crispy_bird@yahoo.com

>

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