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Re: The "right" answer
John Cameron, one of the 8 Nuclear Shipyard Worker Study scientific advisory
commitee, says only a one tailed test was done (to detect harm but not
benefit). I don't have his address at this computer, but most of you have it
or can sort for messages here months ago.
The only problem I have seen claimed with the NSWS was the claim that
applicants for that job were more strictly screened for health problems than
for the seemingly identical control group. The differences seem to me far
too great (0.76 total mortality rate when > 0.5 excess rad) to be caused by
that.
Howard Long
----- Original Message -----
From: "Jim Muckerheide" <jmuckerheide@cnts.wpi.edu>
To: "John Jacobus" <crispy_bird@yahoo.com>; "Jerry Cohen"
<jjcohen@prodigy.net>; <tedrock@cpcug.org>; "Muckerheide"
<muckerheide@comcast.net>; <radsafe@list.vanderbilt.edu>; "Dr. Otto Raabe"
<ograabe@UCDAVIS.EDU>; <rad-sci-l@WPI.EDU>
Sent: Wednesday, August 06, 2003 9:39 PM
Subject: RE: The "right" answer
> Sorry about the delay, too much backlog :-)
>
> You say, "it was cited in NCRP-136 and ON THIS LIST." I guess that seems
> consistent with your concept of science.
>
> But NCRP told Congress re NCRP-136 and other reviews 'this is a high
> quality study' and 'it's unfortunate that this study has never been
> pub'd, so it's not accessible' and 'it hampers our ability to conduct a
> critical evaluation' etc. etc. Then of course they dissemble about the
> "inability to explain" why exposed workers have less cancer than
> unexposed workers. It's simple: biological responses to LDR induce the
> specific immune cells and molecules, enzymes, proteins and genes, etc.,
> that enhance immune competence, improve health and prevent and
> successfully treat infections, inflammatory diseases and cancers. This
> of course terrifies EPA, NRC, DOE, along with FDA, etc.
>
> Regards, Jim Muckerheide
> ========================
>
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: John Jacobus [mailto:crispy_bird@yahoo.com]
> > Sent: Thursday, July 31, 2003 8:13 AM
> > To: Jerry Cohen; tedrock@cpcug.org; Muckerheide;
> > radsafe@list.vanderbilt.edu; Dr. Otto Raabe; rad-sci-l@WPI.EDU
> > Cc: Jim Muckerheide
> > Subject: Re: The "right" answer
> >
> > Oh, we have been down this road before. I doubt that
> > the NNSW study was really ignored. It was cited in
> > NCRP 136, and has been cited on this list server many
> > times. You can certain start with the following, and
> > follow the treads.
> >
> > http://www.vanderbilt.edu/radsafe/0302/msg00087.html
> >
> > http://www.vanderbilt.edu/radsafe/0301/msg00180.html
> >
> > http://www.vanderbilt.edu/radsafe/9704/msg00530.html
> >
> > Just to be clear, I never associated you with the "LDR
> > fringe."
> >
> >
> >
> > --- Jerry Cohen <jjcohen@prodigy.net> wrote:
> > >
> > > >When epidemiologists question a study, such as the
> > > Navy
> > > > Shipyard Nuclear Worker study, they are attacked
> > > as
> > > > not believe the "truth." Of course, they are only
> > > > scientist who have studied, practiced and reported
> > > on
> > > > epidemiological studies. What do they know about
> > > the
> > > > "truth?"
> > >
> > > John,
> > > Interesting--- I was my understanding that the
> > > NSNW study has been
> > > largely ignored, unacknowledged, and not considered
> > > in radiation
> > > policy development, but I was unaware that it had
> > > been "questioned"
> > > by epidemiologists. What aspect of the study was
> > > questioned: data
> > > sources, methodology, calculations, or what?
> > > I know that it is relatively easy to discredit
> > > any epidemiological
> > > study (if all else fails, one can always cite
> > > unknown unbounded
> > > confounding factors), but have seen no such
> > > critiques of the NSNW
> > > study. Specifically, what was said to be wrong with
> > > that study?
> > > Jerry
> > >
> >
> >
> >
> > =====
> > -- John
> > John Jacobus, MS
> > Certified Health Physicist
> > e-mail: crispy_bird@yahoo.com
> >
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