Fwd: Re: Badges for surgery

[John Jacobus <crispy_bird@YAHOO.COM>]

And don't get me started about cardiologists!!!



--- John Jacobus <crispy_bird@yahoo.com> wrote:

> Date: Mon, 12 Jan 2004 13:50:11 -0800 (PST)

> From: John Jacobus <crispy_bird@yahoo.com>

> Subject: Re: Badges for surgery

> To: radsafe <radsafe@list.vanderbilt.edu>

> 

> Your second and third paragraphs are too true for

> words.  If you don't learn to roll with the punches,

> you will not survive.

> 

> I have developed a "strange" sense of humor when

> dealing with physicians, e.g., "as long as you don't

> me or yourself, we will do okay."

> 

> --- William V Lipton <liptonw@DTEENERGY.COM> wrote:

> > I agree with your position with two exceptions.

> > 

> > 1.  The decision regarding the requirement for

> > monitoring has to be prospective,

> > not retrospective.  While exposure history is

> useful

> > information for this

> > decision, workloads and procedures can change,

> which

> > may require monitoring of

> > someone who did not previously require it.  I

> agree

> > that all radiation workers

> > should be monitored.  For one thing, you don't get

> > bogged down in individual

> > decisions, and the potential to overlook a

> workload

> > or procedure change.  Also,

> > if you have radiation injury litigation from an

> > individual who was not

> > monitored, his lawyer will be happy to calculate

> the

> > dose for you.

> > 

> > 2.  The argument that swapping badges is too

> > difficult for a surgeon would be

> > funny if it weren't so sad.  It says a lot about

> the

> > importance of our

> > "profession."  I disagree that, "discontinuing

> > badges for those workers may be

> > the way to go...."  If the surgeons can't be

> > bothered to follow some basic good

> > practices, then they shouldn't be working there,

> and

> > if the Radiation Safety

> > Committee won't support you on that one, you

> should

> > be looking for a job

> > someplace else.  Rolling over may seem like the

> path

> > of least resistance, but it

> > will catch up with you, later.  If anything goes

> > wrong, I would guess that the

> > surgeons will say something like, "If he'd told me

> > to wear a badge, I would

> > have..."  (I previously reported my experience

> with

> > a scientist who said

> > something like, "If I screw up, I'll take

> > responsibiltiy for it, but in the

> > meantime, don't bother me."  He caused a major

> > accident shortly after that, and

> > sued his employer for making him work under such

> > dangerous conditions.)

> > 

> > When I was in graduate school, I considered going

> > into medical physics.  Then, I

> > realized that, at a hospital, there are two

> classes

> > of workers:  1.  MD's,  2.

> > everyone else.  This thread seems to validate that

> > view.  You can have ten PhD's

> > and a Nobel Prize, but you're still the hired

> help.

> > 

> > All you medical hp's out there:  PLEASE prove that

> > I'm wrong.

> > 

> > The opinions expressed are strictly mine.

> > It's not about dose, it's about trust.

> > Curies forever.

> > 

> > Bill Lipton

> > liptonw@dteenergy.com

> > 

. . .



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"There's no trick to being a humorist when you have the whole government working for you."

Will Rogers



-- John

John Jacobus, MS

Certified Health Physicist

e-mail:  crispy_bird@yahoo.com



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