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RE: DOE low dose research funds
Dr. Cameron,
We have had discussions on this topic before.
Privately, you said that you realised that there may
be problems with the NSWS. Have you changed your mind
on this study? Do you think it should be cited as a
reliable demonstration of a hormetic effect?
By the way, I have a copy of the study if anyone would
like to review it for themselves.
--- john cameron <jrcamero@wiscmail.wisc.edu> wrote:
> Colleagues, John Jacobus wrote:
> >I believe that DOE is sponsoring funding for
> research in low dose
> >effects. See
> >http://www.ans.org/pi/news/index.cgi?d=987026192
> half-way down the page.
>
> DOE has had a low dose research support program for
> several years as
> described on their web page at
> http://www.lowdose.org. DOE may have
> changed the rules but originally their research
> support was only to
> look for risks from low doses. I contacted them
> about doing a double
> blind study of increased background to senior
> citizens in the Gulf
> States. They replied that they could not support
> research for
> radiation benefits. They also pointed out that they
> can't support
> epidemiological studies because of their low
> statistical power.
> It is ironic that the best human data to show
> health benefit
> from low dose rate radiation is the 1980-1988 DOE
> supported U.S.
> nuclear shipyard worker study. The non-cancer death
> rate was 16 std
> dev lower than the controls. Since the details of
> this important
> study has never been published it is not surprising
> that many on the
> radsafe list server are unaware of its results.
> DOE only knows how to look for cancer. Even
> there the
> nuclear workers had a cancer death rate 15% lower
> (p<0.01) than the
> controls. I agree with DOE that it is a waste of
> money to look for
> radiation risks via epidemiology but it sure looks
> OK to look for
> benefits.
> Best wishes,
> John Cameron
>
> >
> >
> >--- "Flood, John" <FloodJR@NV.DOE.GOV> wrote:
> >> I had the good fortune of hearing Dr. Lucky
> speak on
> >> this subject - most
> >> entertaining, in addition to being informative -
> he
> >> made his case very well.
> >> Given the low dose levels at which hormesis may
> >> exist, it seems to me that a
> >> definitive study to prove or disprove the theory
> >> would require test and
> >> control populations that should be impossibly
> large,
> >> and thus the study can
> >> never be done. That would mean that hormesis is
> >> destined to remain no more
> >> than a theory. Do others concur on this? Or
> might
> >> there be a way to test
> >> for and prove/disprove hormesis in humans?
> >>
> >> Bob Flood
> >> NTS Dosimetry
> >>
> >>
> >> -----Original Message-----
> >> From: jjcohen [mailto:jjcohen@PRODIGY.NET]
> >> Sent: Tuesday, January 20, 2004 2:57 PM
> >> To: Franz Schoenhofer; RuthWeiner@AOL.COM; "Joan
> >> Stovall"; "Karl Ellison";
> >> radsafe-digest@list.Vanderbilt.Edu
> >> Subject: Re: Radiation Hormesis
> >>
> >> In following this string on "radiation
> hormesis"
> >> it occurs to me that
> >> there must be some radsafers who are reasonably
> >> familiar with the scientific
> >> evidence supporting hormesis, but are
> unconvinced
> >> that it is a valid
> >> phenomenon.
> >> Just out of curiosity, I wonder what kind,
> or
> >> quality of evidence would
> >> it take to convince you that hormesis is for
> real
> >> and ought to be taken
> >> seriously in formulating radiation policies?
> Would
> >> anyone care to take a
> >> crack at that?
> >>
> >>
>
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