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RE: nuclear weapons
Great story about stealing a submarine. But probably
a plot line for one of his many books.
http://www.gnooks.com/discussion/richard+marchinko.html
and http://www.navysealteams.com/Marcinko.htm
I believe was discharged from the Navy and sent to
prison (not sure about this) because he diverted
funds. Basically, he stole money from the government
and used it for his own purposes. Like Oliver North,
he has been able to build a career out out his own
ledgend.
I see the same "story" at
http://www.indymedia.org.uk/en/2002/11/47003.html
under "I feel Safer Now." So I guess if not true it
is worth repeating. And if repeated often enough, it
is true.
I have always question whether exercises are a true
test of capabilities.
--- "Mudek, Mario D." <MARIO.D.MUDEK@saic.com> wrote:
> I think the great Navy Seal Richard Marcinko aka.
> The Rogue Warrior, proved
> that even a well armed well trained defense with
> advanced notice (they
> briefed them a month before the exercise) was no
> match for the superior
> training of a seal team (seal team six).
> Richard finally went too far when he and his team
> stole a trident missile
> submarine from Kings Bay GA. complete with a
> complement of 24 missiles. With
> 4, 6, or who knows as many as 8 war heads each.
> Some believe that this is
> why he went to prison.
>
> Due to congressional contract rules rent-a-cops
> guard much of our nuc
> weapons now.
> I believe the worst thing is for one or more of them
> to be stolen, nobody
> notices until after a few inventory cycles by then
> the trail is cold or it
> has become so much of an embarrassment that we never
> find them or ever find
> out that they are missing. Taking them by force
> would serve to expose a
> weakness or a threat. The best intel is the kind
> nobody knows you have
> until it's too late.
>
> The best (worst) terrorists are home grown, let's
> keep them on our side.
>
> just my opinion
>
> -mario
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-radsafe@list.Vanderbilt.Edu
> [mailto:owner-radsafe@list.Vanderbilt.Edu]On Behalf
> Of Sandra
> Sent: Friday, February 13, 2004 6:55 AM
> To: radsafe@list.Vanderbilt.Edu
> Subject: nuclear weapons
>
>
> After working in Minute Man III missiles while in
> the air force, I know that
> those warheads can be shipped in a small crate all
> together or even smaller
> containers by alone. After the wall went down in
> Berlin the Soviet Union
> lost track of some of their nucs and we have not
> always known where all
> ours are at any given time. It would only take a
> small hand full of trained
> people to over take a military convoy on the way to
> missile silo or site.
> The bases are relatively small and their security
> police are not trained
> well enough to withstand a real attempt at these
> sites or convoys.
>
> I could tell you stories that would leave you
> dumbfounded at their stupidity
> and their laziness.
>
> The missiles that were deployed on the flatbed in
> Europe were even smaller
> and could easily be transported and were easily
> transported from place to
> place. Security, from my point of view, only drew
> more attention to what
> was going on, so leaving security behind was a
> better idea. The training
> that normal military recieve in the air force is a
> couple days, perhaps for
> an hour or two on those days, at the range. Some
> don't even qualify with a
> weapon, and are just signed off on their cards. I
> remember the first time I
> handled a .38 in the air force I shot the ceiling of
> the range. They were
> really upset by the paper work they would have to do
> about the hole in the
> ceiling. But this did not keep me from running the
> missile field as a
> technician who did the electronics and targeting in
> the silos and the
> capsule work. I was simply signed off.. had passed
> their criteria. What
> kind of force could I have used with a handgun alone
> with a few bullets? no
> clip on this weapon. It was really a false sense of
> security. If a small
> group of "terrorists" had over taken our convey they
> would have gotten what
> ever they wanted. We were no match for high-tech
> automatic weapons.
> Someone could have placed a device during a normal
> traffic stop on the
> vehicle and blow it up on the way to the field.
> Security? It was not
> really all that good in the 1980's. I have no idea
> what they are doing
> today, but I can imagine it cannot be much better.
>
> I hate to say it, but military security is really
> lax and usually they don't
> choose the most intelligent people for this duty.
> Few are high quality,
> thinkers.
>
> I also know that the USA has consistently broke
> treaties that have detailed
> the placement of nuclear warheads. So even if we
> sign a treaty detailing
> what is expected we never comply in completion, we
> do what ever we want and
> when we get caught we make up lies or pretend it
> never happened or imprison
> the whistleblower.
>
> Our nucs are not that secure. Perhaps we ought to
> worry about what we are
> doing as well. Somehow we never consider the
> breechs in our security and
> how easy it could be for even an active military
> person to take home a
> complete can of warheads with the help of a few
> friends. Not all active
> duty military personnel are loyal to the oath. Nor
> are all active duty
> military people who they say they are.
>
> --Sandy
>
> just my experience and my opinion
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Jaro" <jaro-10kbq@sympatico.ca>
> To: "Frank Helk" <frank.helk@nis-hanau.de>; "Gerry
> Blackwood"
> <gpblackwood@justice.com>
> Cc: <radsafe@list.vanderbilt.edu>
> Sent: Thursday, February 12, 2004 5:43 PM
> Subject: RE: Al-Qaida may have nuclear weapons
>
>
> > Frank Helk wrote:
> >
> > The damage done by a nuclear weapon is - even
> while one of the most
> horrible
> > threats - at most limited. A very big boom, much
> damage, and contamination
> > of a more or less area.
> > <snip>
> >
> > Good point.
> > Particularly in the case of the so-called suitcase
> bombs, with fractional
> to
> > one-kiloton explosive yield, exploded at ground
> level.
> > This is easily exceeded by a ship loaded with
> multi-kilotons of ANFO
> > chemical explosive, and requires far less
> technical know-how.
> > Even a fleet of fuel trucks loaded with ANFO could
> probably cause more
> > devastation when distributed throughout a city,
> than a single small
> nuclear
> > bomb exploded at ground level.
> > Something to consider, when developing homeland
> defense strategies &
> > detection techniques, IMHO.
> >
> > Jaro
> > http://www.cns-snc.ca/branches/quebec/quebec.html
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
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