Re: Oh Little Bethlehem, Kidneys, Love and Peace

["Syd H. Levine" <sydlevine@bellsouth.net>]

I'll bet in your role as spreader of fear you do not want your expertise questioned further in this forum.  These posts find their way into search engines, and the cumulative comments don't help your case.  In fact, some of your detractors in here are internationally known experts, so I would shut up too if I were you.

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  Cc: NiagaraNet@AOL.COM 

  Sent: Friday, April 02, 2004 6:10 AM

  Subject: Oh Little Bethlehem, Kidneys, Love and Peace





  RADSAFERS:  



  This will be my last post containing anything personal--Last one. I promise. I am done with "he said, she said."  If someone wants to take pot shots at me, so be it. 



  I will post (and possibly publish) remarks and comments elsewhere perhaps incorporating them into some future article I may write about radiation protection and safety, but I won't post further personal comments here beyond this last.



  The below attached posting is an inaccurate chronicling of events. 



  Someone should look through the thread. I thank you Sandy for the comment about the Japanese people. I agree that we American's could take a lesson on civility. 



  I readily admit that I made a very harsh intro onto the board, However, I never heard directly from the people that were mentioned and involved with the NIOSH report. I only heard from those NOT directly involved with the reconstruction. 



  I also want to thank Ms. Hamrick for her stand up comment.



  I am not intentionally anti-anything. I am curious by nature and this whole MED AEC situation has not ever been fully addressed (words of DOE-"Impacted area") and it is disconcerting to say the least. I'm not a newbie to this as I've studied for a number of years now and don't like what I am seeing from a historical health and safety perspective. 



  Even "Small Amounts" of Fission Products should not be allowed into the environment willy-nilly. Even tiny amounts--buried direct to soil. On this much science I am sure.



  If I - "dragged the Love Canal issue in as a red herring," I wasn't aware of my making any big deal out of LC and only mentioned it in passing in a missive of 631 words. Two words out of 631 were focused on, and then nothing further from that posting was commented upon. 



  Ms. Hamrick clearly states this in her previous email. 



  Oh well, many things in life are perception.



  Mr. Hall, DOE in LV. If I perceived the tone of your email incorrectly, I apologize. There are several barrels that have my name on them too..(as the entire board chuckles I'm sure). The barrel(s) for me are those smaller 30 gal. green salt type and should tell all about pieces-parts and disposal methods.  :*)



    I brought up Love Canal in two words out of 631--from there, the discussion went further down hill. If anyone bothers to check, I never posted an article at all about Love Canal either as the following message would convict, nor did I mention kidneys.   That was mentioned first by Franz. 



    I'm sure that this message will be dissected, commented upon, berated, discounted and or spun. I will not comment further on any personal level to anyone on the board and I will let the archive and online record stand as my scribe. If there are negative comments to be made, please make them directly to me in the future and not on the RADSAFE bulletin board.



  I will decently bid you

  Cheers all and May Peace Prevail,

  Sincerely,

  Louis Ricciuti

  Still -- "Los Alamos East"



    The below message has more holes in it than a graphite moderated reactor.

     And a not so decent message dated 4/2/2004 STEVE DAPRA WRITES:



    April 1   

        Louis Ricciuti wrote:  "Here is the citation again for NIOSH. I don't know

    who you are Sir, with that you are correct. I do know that whomever you

    are, you were not aware of NIOSH being at the CDC in Atlanta, GA."







  Steve DAPRA writes--





        NIOSH being at the CDC in Atlanta has nothing to do with anything.  When I

    went to the earlier link to NIOSH that you posted it was not a study on

    anything.  It was a collection of generalities, and there were no links in

    the collection of generalities to any report - including the one you claim

    to have read and have been denouncing.  I also did an internal search on

    the NIOSH web site and could find no links to any NIOSH reports about

    rad-exposed workers in the Niagara Falls area.  About all I found were

    minutes of meetings about studies and investigations NIOSH had conducted in

    the area.



        You complained about "waffling."  I don't know who has been waffling but

    it isn't me.  Most of your posting didn't even rise to the level of

    waffling - it was more like fustian.



        If there are radionuclides in Love Canal they are small or minute amounts,

    and they are doubtless not harmful.  I have read a lot over the years about

    Love Canal and you are the first one to drag out anything about

    radionuclides being there.  In the beginning, this thread wasn't about Love

    Canal; it was about rad-exposed workers.  You threw in the Canal as a red

    herring.



        My references of March 28 were not "pitiful."  That Rachel's Children/Love

    Canal article you posted made a grossly deceptive claim about how the

    Niagara Falls School Board obtained title to Love Canal.  (The Board

    obtained title by threatening to get the Canal condemned.)   I gave the

    "pitiful" reference so interested parties could find out about this for

    themselves.  When the President "signed the emergency legislation" is yet

    another of your red herrings.



        The reference to the NY Times editorial was made for the purpose of

    showing that even the Times eventually admitted that Paigen's work was

    "discounted."



        Now you have dredged up kidney disease - another red herring.  If we keep

    at this long enough you will probably be telling us about Sputnik, or the

    Napoleonic Wars.



        I am interested in the truth.  You are not.  You are interested in red

    herrings, persiflage, and being mean (such as to Franz).  Have you no sense

    of decency at long last?

    Steven Dapra

    sjd@swcp.co

  m



    This gentleman (Steve Dapra), IMO, is very dangerous in his perceptions and espousal of the facts, so much so, that IF he is involved with the nuclear industry at all, he is a further danger to the public in general. Mr. Dapra's email address leads to a connection in New Mexico and makes me believe that he is either involved with the mining industry (that may explain his malaise), OR, he is involved with LANL. If so, I find the latter to be a very scary possibility.