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Re: saftey of being in the proximity of someone on RAI therapy



I've heard a story where someone was caught because his name and address 

were on other items in the trash.



Tom



daleboyce@charter.net wrote:



>Phil,

>

>If the suits show up with a bill, I think the lawsuit against the hospital

>for giving out confidential medical records would more than cover it! ;)

>

>Dale

>daleboyce@charter.net

>

>

>----- Original Message ----- 

>From: "Philip Egidi" <phil.egidi@state.co.us>

>To: <kb1ipd@HOTMAIL.COM>; <owner-radsafe@list.Vanderbilt.Edu>;

><radsafe@list.Vanderbilt.Edu>; <crispy_bird@YAHOO.COM>

>Sent: Thursday, August 19, 2004 12:52 PM

>Subject: Re: saftey of being in the proximity of someone on RAI therapy

>

>

>>And PLEASE have your friend follow the instructions given (hopefully) by

>>the doctor/clinic/hospital as to disposal of wastes that may contain the

>>I-131 after she is released from patient care.  Do NOT just throw paper

>>towels or anything that may contain body fluid (feces, urine, sweat,

>>vomit, etc), in the trash - it may set off alarms at the local landfill.

>>Your friendly state regulator (or less friendly hazmat response team)

>>may end up dumping the load looking for the offending trash in order to

>>deal with it appropriately/  If the responders can trace the radioactive

>>trash back to your friend, she may get a visit from the suits, and

>>perhaps a bill for the effort.

>>

>>Thanks,

>>Phil Egidi

>>Colorado

>>

>>>>>John Jacobus <crispy_bird@YAHOO.COM> 08/19/04 07:42 AM >>>

>>>>>

>>Steve,

>>Your friend is being treated with I-131 to ablate any

>>remaining thyroid tissue.  I-123 is an imaging agent,

>>which was probably used during a diagnostic scan to

>>assess her the extent of the cancerous thyroid and

>>uptake of iodine.

>>

>>Because she no longer has a functioning thyroid,

>>various hormonal and physiological problems will

>>develop.  Eventually, she will be put on a synthetic

>>hormone that will have to be adjusted over time.  Too

>>little, and the patient is lethargic.  Too much, and

>>the patient is too hyper.  I assume they have not

>>started her on replacement therapy because the want to

>>ensure that all of the cancerous thyroid tissue has

>>been destroyed.

>>

>>Your friends sinus problem may be a side effect of the

>>removal of the thyroid, or a totally unrelated effect.

>>

>>There are a number of Web sites dealing with thyroid

>>cancer try

>>http://www.cancer.org/docroot/CRI/CRI_2_3x.asp?dt=43

>>and

>>http://cancernet.nci.nih.gov/cancertopics/types/thyroid/

>>

>>With regard to at home care, the precautions she is

>>asked to take are to ensure that exposures to the

>>public and family members as the I-131 decays.  She

>>should have been given a date as to when she no longer

>>needs to follow these precautions.

>>

>>The precautions you discussed with probably provide

>>minimal protect to you.  Potassium iodine would

>>protect your thyroid from uptake of radioiodine.

>>However, patients do not excrete significant amounts

>>of iodine.  It is bound to the remanant throid tissue;

>>proper hand washing and sanitary activities, e.g.,

>>using separate eating utensils, precludes the spread

>>of contamination.

>>

>>The use of a leaded apron will provide no benefits to

>>protecting yourself from radiation emitted by your

>>friend. The radiation emitted by I-131 is high energy,

>>and the leaded apron protects against low energy x-ray

>>radiation.  The best way to protect yourself is to

>>stand or some distance from your friend, e.g., 3 to 6

>>feet, and not spend significant amounts of time.  I

>>would avoid spending whole evenings watching TV with

>>her.

>>

>>It is also important to keep in mind that the

>>recommendation are precautionary.  No harmful effects

>>have ever been shown to occur to caregivers who have

>>worked with therapy patients.

>>

>>--- Steve Packard <kb1ipd@HOTMAIL.COM> wrote:

>>

>>>Hello.   I realize that this board is not normally

>>>concerned with nuclear

>>>medicine, but perhaps someone with a good health

>>>physics background could

>>>help me.

>>>

>>>I have a very good friend who a few years ago was

>>>diagnosed with thyroid,

>>>throat and lymphoid cancer.   Her thyroid was

>>>removed and since then she has

>>>been given radiation therapy approximately every 6

>>>months.

>>>

>>>Her therapy consists of direct gamma irradiation of

>>>the neck region and

>>>ingestion of radioactive iodine.    I believe the

>>>isotope is iodine-123, but

>>>she didn't know for sure what isotope of iodine is

>>>used.    The iodine is

>>>administered in an attempt to eliminate any

>>>remaining thyroid tissue.

>>>

>>>The radiation therapy has the side effect of making

>>>her very ill,

>>>immediately after it is administered, and has the

>>>long term effect of

>>>causing her sinus problems.

>>>

>>>Her sinuses are chronically clogged and painfully

>>>filled with fluid that is

>>>impossible to drain.   She has sinus infections

>>>frequently and has been on

>>>antibiotics so many times for sinus infections, that

>>>they are losing their

>>>effectiveness.

>>>

>>>I am not sure if it is the iodine treatment or the

>>>direct irritation which

>>>has caused this damage to the sinus region.

>>>However, clearly there has

>>>been tissue damage from the radiation that is not

>>>healing.    Does anyone

>>>know of any supplements, medications or techniques

>>>that are effective in

>>>promoting the healing of radiation damaged tissue,

>>>such as that in the

>>>sinuses?

>>>

>>>

>>>And on a related note:

>>>

>>>When my friend is given the radioactive iodine, she

>>>is ordered to stay alone

>>>in her home for over a week.   She is told she

>>>cannot be within 25 feet of

>>>anyone else and cannot closely interact in any way.

>>>  This is very

>>>difficult for her, especially because she becomes

>>>ill and would benefit from

>>>personal care.

>>>

>>>Would it be safe to spend time with her if I did the

>>>following:  I Took

>>>potassium-iodine before being around her (incase

>>>somehow iodine excreted

>>>entered the environment),  I wore a 1 mm thick lead

>>>radiological apron, lead

>>>kilt, thyroid protector, gonad protector,

>>>radiological lead-acrylic glasses,

>>>and .5 mm equivalent full-arm lead-rubber gloves.

>>>I also would wear a

>>>digital alarm dosimeter to verify that my time would

>>>stay within reasonable

>>>limits of safety.

>>>

>>>If I took these protective steps, would I be safe to

>>>spend a period of a

>>>couple hours a day with her?

>>>

>>>. . .

>>>

>>=====

>>+++++++++++++++++++

>>"Everyone is ignorant, only on different subjects."

>>Will Rogers

>>

>>-- John

>>John Jacobus, MS

>>Certified Health Physicist

>>e-mail:  crispy_bird@yahoo.com

>>

>>

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