[ RadSafe ] Re: Hormesis - Necessary for Public Protection

[John Jacobus]

How do I stall realistic public protection?  I did not
write any of the DHS planning scenarios.  If you have
a problem with them, send you comments to the authors
of the report.

As I say, the McGregor and Land report of 1977 shows
harmful effects at low doses.  Maybe hormesis is
bankrupt.  Maybe there is more to the story, but you
have to listen and read.

By the way, if you quote someone else's words, you are
to put them in quotation marks and cite the author. 
It is common ethics and good manners to do so.

--- howard long <hflong at pacbell.net> wrote:
> "Hormesis as likely as LNT"? We must be more
> explicit about INCREASED cancer and panic deaths
> from excess  "clean up" after an attack, as
> currently planned by DHS.
>  
> I have just reviewed the DHS Planning Scenarios for
> nuclear attack kindly sent me by Gerry Blackwood. As
> much loss of life and cost appears likely from panic
> response as from the attack. Fear of actually
> beneficial doses of radiation is expected to cause,
> far beyond the area of radiation overdose, traffic
> disaster, lawlessness, avoidance of safe water,
> shelter and emergency supplies long after real
> danger from radiation. Chernobyl is still a
> wasteland because of fear, not actual danger for
> most of the area. 
>  
> LNT dinosaurs like John Jacobus stall realistic
> public protection.
>  
> Howard Long
> 
> If it fails at low doses as you say below, then it
> is a bankrupt concept. 
> If you concede that, then what are we arguing about?
> All I put forward is 
> the modest proposition that at very low doses,
> hormesis is about as likely 
> as LNT to be true. You call it cherry picking when
> Long does it, but it is 
> even worse cherry picking when EPA does it to
> support LNT based public 
> policy that costs us all a huge fortune.
> 
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "John Jacobus" 
> To: "Syd H. Levine" ; "howard long" 
> ; "Gerald Nicholls" ; 
> ; 
> Sent: Saturday, March 19, 2005 6:08 PM
> Subject: Re: [ RadSafe ] Do better than John Snow's
> Work. Medical Ethics?
> 
> 
> > Maybe I am not being clear. The LNT is a model,
> which
> > can be changed. I feel that it does fail at low
> doses
> > and dose rates.
> >
> > However, the proponents of hormesis what to have
> it
> > their way. Hormesis is good. However, not all of
> the
> > data supports that conjecture. If they jump and
> down,
> > and yell about bias and "hidden" agendas by the
> > radiation safety community, they expect to win.
> This
> > is what I oppose.
> >
> > You say you do not believe in hormesis or the LNT,
> if
> > would encourage you to keep and open mind and read
> > both sides for the arguements. It took me a while
> to
> > get where I am, and I am still learning.
> >
> > By the way, the fact the Earth is round was known
> > since the times of the ancient Greeks. Why would
> > anyone support such a silly notion.
> >
> > --- "Syd H. Levine" wrote:
> >
> >> The flat worlders need you to defend their
> position.
> >> Maybe hormesis is a
> >> load of crap with respect to ionizing radiation,
> but
> >> to defend LNT at this
> >> late date seems peculiar indeed.
> >>
> >> Syd H. Levine
> >> AnaLog Services, Inc.
> >> Phone: 270-276-5671
> >> Telefax: 270-276-5588
> >> E-mail: analog at logwell.com
> >> URL: www.logwell.com
> >>
> >> ----- Original Message ----- 
> >> From: "John Jacobus" 
> >> To: "Syd H. Levine" ;
> >> "howard long"
> >> ; "Gerald Nicholls"
> >> ;
> >> ; 
> >> Sent: Saturday, March 19, 2005 11:29 AM
> >> Subject: Re: [ RadSafe ] Do better than John
> Snow's
> >> Work. Medical Ethics?
> >>
> >>
> >> >I will conceed that the LNT is a hypothesis that
> >> > attempts to fit known data to some mathematic
> >> model.
> >> > Does it work in all cases? Within the limits of
> >> the
> >> > data, it is probably reasonable.
> 
> 
> 

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"A positive attitude may not solve all your problems, but it will annoy
enough people to make it worth the effort." Herm Albright

-- John
John Jacobus, MS
Certified Health Physicist
e-mail:  crispy_bird at yahoo.com

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