Re: Technical Basis Documents

[lavelyp@uclink2.berkeley.edu]

Perhaps I did not communicate well.

Yours was not a request for a simple few minutes of research and an answer,
but could have expanded many hours of research.  I know that my employeer
is paying me to do their work for my 40 hours a week. If you, your
"colleague", or others want to get free consulting of this magnitude I
think that Radsafe isn't the place.

You stated that "If you were a true professional, you would not hesitate to
offer assistance to a fellow professional - and not expect to be reimbursed
for the effort." At present I do not do consulting; however, am I to assume
from your comment that those HPs who are consulting should do it for free
so that they can assist another professional?  Should attorney Weidess do
his services to radiation safety related clients for free as assistance to
other professionals? I think not.

Please note that several HPs have called me to tell me that they too are
tired of being asked for free consulting via Radsafe.

I looked up "quid pro quo" and my use is correct and it stands. That is -
what will I or others "get in exchange for something else" by responding to
someone who is not even on Radsafe and therefore has made and will continue
to make no contribution to radsafe.

I also looked up "wisdom." It means good judgement. I fail to see how my
response was other than good judgement.

You stated that "I am not the least impressed with your bragged about "vast and
valuable" knowledge base." I made no such claim. It is customary to expect
that materials in quotes at least appear in the original text or have been
spoken by the person quoted.

 You commented that I must have "dreamed of growing up to be this
super-intelligent being but failed, and now you are stuck in one of the
government's financially unrewarding jobs and prey on people who you
think you can lambaste with your "expertise"."  The opposite is true. I
grew up in poverty in rural Florida, started working when I was 13 and have
worked every day of my life since them. I worked to put myself through high
school and college. It was working full time that caused me to take from
1966 to 1972 to get my BS at Purdue. As a youth my "dream" was not to be a
"super-intelligent being" - it was to put food on the table and a roof over
my head for me and my impoverished mother.

As to your comment about my being "stuck in one of the government's
financially unrewarding jobs" I find that I love it. I made the decision to
work here and they will allow me to quit at any time. I am at least as well
compensated as other HPs I know and find challenge in my job everyday.

MY comment was directed at an issue that many of us share. It had more to
do with having less staff and less budget - that eliminates many of the
oppertunities to do free consulting we would all enjoy.

Finally, my comment was one that told you my experience and offered help,
but on a pay for services basis. I see no reason for you to have turned
this into a personal attack. Lets look at who is being the professional and
who has stooped to name calling.

The above are my professional and personal comments and are not those of my
employer.

Paul

>Addressed to:
>lavelyp@uclink2.berkeley.edu (rob gong)
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>In reference to:
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>Date: Mon, 16 Sep 1996 12:11:22 -0500
>From: lavelyp@uclink2.berkeley.edu (rob gong)
>Subject: Re: Technical Basis Documents
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>I am the RSO at UC Berkeley and have over 20 years of experience in rad
>safety, licensing, and I hold several degrees.  I think that I can help
>your "collegue." However, I am becoming more adverse to people using
>RADSAFE as a way of getting free consulting.  Tell him to get a budget and
>call me for a consulting contract or stop wasting the time of those of us
>who are using RADSAFE as professionals to get and give information on a
>quid pro quo basis.
>
>The above are my professional and personal comments and are not those of my
>employer; however,I am sure that my employer would not expect me to use my
>time to support such an effort.
>
>Paul
>
>>I'm posting this for a colleague who isn't subscribed to Radsafe.
>>He has been tasked with documenting the technical basis for
>>the methods used to perform radiological surveys (radiation,
>>contamination, air, etc.).  From what I can tell, ORNL does rad business
>>pretty much the same as the rest of the HP world.  So
>>instead of re-inventing the wheel, he would like the benefit
>>of Radsafe's collective expertize, and is requesting that those
>>who've authored, or have access to various documents that describe
>>the technical basis for why HPs do things the way they do, to contact
>>him at the address below.  Thanks in advance.
>>
>>Marvin Hoffman
>>Oak Ridge National Laboratory
>>Email- HF9@ornl.gov
>>phone- (423) 574-7117
>
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>
>I have the following comments:
>
>There's nothing quite so nauseating as puffed up pride and a bloated ego.
>It appears that in acquiring all of your 20 years of experience and "several
>degrees" that you neglected to pick up any wisdom.
>
>Whatever happened to the days when the spirit of comradeship in this country
>compelled neighbors to help each other build their barns - without
>expectation of monetary return from one another.  I'm sure that some of
>those neighbors were able to swing a hammer much better than others too.
>
>I'm sorry, I am not the least impressed with your bragged about "vast and
>valuable" knowledge base.  You appear to be just another pseudo-scientist
>who watched just a little too much mister wizard and dreamed of growing up
>to be this super-intelligent being but failed, and now you are stuck in one
>of the government's financially unrewarding jobs and prey on people who you
>think you can lambaste with your "expertise".
>
>If you were a true professional, you would not hesitate to offer assistance
>to a fellow professional - and not expect to be reimbursed for the effort.
>Go look that up in your quid pro quo dictionary!  I bet your a terrible
>neighbor too.
>
>I have had a great deal of time and experience in the health physics field
>as well, but do not claim to be the ultimate expert in any area and will do
>my best to help others when I can.  This list server is supposed to be used
>to ask honest questions - no matter what the level of detail or subject -
>and we all should expect to receive answers from fellow hp's who truly care
>about helping others without fear of being ridiculed and embarrassed.  If
>we've lost that, we've lost it all.
>
>
>
> Bruce W. Hokel
>  121 Spedding Hall
>   Ames Laboratory/ISU
>    Ames, Iowa 50011
>     ph: 515-294-7922
>      FAX: 515-294-2155
>       email: Hokel@ameslab.gov

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