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Re: Death of Hisashi Ouchi



One may assume his family (if any) gave the consent if he 
was not able to make the decision. Then if they are 
unavailable I believe the government can step in as 
guardian? If the government, I am sure they have a little 
selfish motivation invovled as well as altruistic, if they 
can save him no one died from this accident. Every bit of 
PR helps I am sure.

In any case this reverts back to similar situations in the 
elderly or otherwise very ill, who themselves cannot make 
informed decision about heroic life support/life saving. 
His family could be the people saying "try and save him." 

If nothing else its a good reminder to spell out your own 
preferences on the issue with friends and family before it 
is needed. 

I personally would prefer to be allowed to die in this 
or similar situation.

regards
Andrew

On Tue, 21 Dec 1999 14:08:15 -0600 (CST) William V Lipton 
<liptonw@dteenergy.com> wrote:

> I doubt that it was much comfort to Mr. Ouchi to know of their "great care and
> concern," even assuming that he was in any condition to know.  It sounds a lot
> like the "care and concern" that drill sergeants expressed to me when I was in
> the Army.
> 
> It would be interesting to know who gave informed consent for all of this.
> 
> The opinions expressed are strictly mine.
> It's not about dose, it's about trust.
> 
> Bill "egregious" Lipton
> liptonw@dteenergy.com
> 
> "Weiner, Ruth" wrote:
> 
> > Judging from the daily reports we got on RADSAFE (thank 
> you, Tosh Ushino), I > have the impression that Mr. Ouchi 
> was treated with great care and concern, > and the 
> suggestions that the physicians were "merely prolonging 
> his > suffering to advance their medical research" sounds 
> egregious to me! >
> > Clearly only my own opinion. >
> > Ruth F. Weiner, Ph. D. > Sandia National Laboratories
> > MS 0718, POB 5800 > Albuquerque, NM 87185-0718
> > 505-844-4791; fax 505-844-0244 > rfweine@sandia.gov
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > From: William V Lipton [mailto:liptonw@dteenergy.com] > 
> Sent: December 21, 1999 12:44 PM > To: Multiple recipients 
> of list > Subject: Re: Death of Hisashi Ouchi
> > > You raise  ethical questions that should be addressed.  
> Were the physicians > helping Mr. Ouchi are merely 
> prolonging his suffering to advance their > medical 
> research?  Did they have his informed consent? >
> > I can't pass judgment on this.  All I can say is, if it 
> were me:  No thanx; > let me go with peace and dignity.
> > > The opinions expressed are strictly mine.
> > It's not about dose, it's about trust. >
> > Bill Lipton > liptonw@dteenergy.com
> > > Susan Gawarecki wrote:
> > > > What the news reports have missed is what RadSafers 
> have been privy > > to--the heroic efforts that prolonged 
> the life of Mr. Ouchi nearly three > > months, when he 
> otherwise would have died soon after exposure.  I'm sure > 
> > that the medical lessons learned will be invaluable in 
> treating future > > cases and may indeed save the life of 
> Mr. B. > > --
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