[ RadSafe ] "Countdown to Zero" disarmament movie

David Ehle ehle at agni.phys.iit.edu
Mon Aug 16 13:27:06 CDT 2010

John, Franz, et all,

I will defer to you in all things regarding radiation safety, but I think 
statements like this speak quite convincingly of the danager of speaking 
outside one's area and expertise - it tends to be embarrassing.

As this list is public and archived, it is probably a very very bad place 
to declare ones opinions about politics in a heated and "exuberant" 
fashion. As one who has already fallen victim to the temptation I am 
already regretting it.

This conversation has obviously gotten to the point where none of the 
participants are going to change the minds of any other participants, and 
only damage their own reputations.

I strongly suggest we all simply agree to disagree on the subject and if 
parties feel very strongly about the issue they put their energy to work 
in a more productive fashion by lobbying thier respective governments 
rather than wasting their time shouting to those who already agree with 
them or never will.

Please note that I am not speaking as a moderator or maintainer of the 
list but simply as a witness of far too many flame wars  who is aware 
that a google search on one's name is often now a common part of the 
interview process.

Please use your own best judgement, and don't feed the trolls who ever you 
might consider them to be.


On Mon, 16 Aug 2010, Dixon, John E. (CDC/ONDIEH/NCEH) wrote:

> Franz,
> The USA is a REPUBLIC not a democracy. There is a big difference. Socialist democracies are doomed to fail.
> Regards,
> John
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Franz Schönhofer [mailto:franz.schoenhofer at chello.at]
> Sent: Monday, August 16, 2010 1:29 PM
> To: 'Doug Aitken'; Dixon, John E. (CDC/ONDIEH/NCEH); 'Shane Connor'; radsafe at health.phys.iit.edu
> Subject: AW: [ RadSafe ] "Countdown to Zero" disarmament movie
> Dough,
> I think I have hailed you before for your insightful comments - so let me do
> it again!
> Yes, the USA armed without any doubt the Taliban. This shows once again the
> inability of the USA to take local "laws" and customs into consideration and
> to develop future scenarios. Just this would be really necessary. It took
> hundreds of years to introduce democracy in Europe - so who expects that in
> these countries it would be introduced within a few years? But another nasty
> question: Is the US democracy or the European one really something to
> recommend?.....
> I have not been in these areas and have no desire to go there, but I would
> like to cite a comment of a newspaper-reader: Let them fight their
> intertribal wars! Sorry, I forgot about the oil.....
> Best regards,
> Franz
> Franz Schoenhofer, PhD
> MinRat i.R.
> Habicherg. 31/7
> A-1160 Wien/Vienna
> -----Ursprüngliche Nachricht-----
> Von: radsafe-bounces at health.phys.iit.edu
> [mailto:radsafe-bounces at health.phys.iit.edu] Im Auftrag von Doug Aitken
> Gesendet: Montag, 16. August 2010 18:13
> An: 'Dixon, John E. (CDC/ONDIEH/NCEH)'; 'Shane Connor';
> radsafe at health.phys.iit.edu
> Betreff: Re: [ RadSafe ] "Countdown to Zero" disarmament movie
> John wrote:
> "The real concern in that area of the world is many of those currently in
> TRUE power survived the 1980-1988 Iran/Iraq war and brought with them a
> particular kind of mentality. In those days, those fighting for Iran needed
> weapons; so the leadership enlisted the help of any volunteer (young men,
> old men, women, and even children). They handed these folks their weapons: a
> red sash for their forehead and a Koran. These individuals rushed armed
> Iraqi positions to physically take Iraqi weapons. These are the same folks
> who are in true power over Iran."
> We must remember that the Iraqis (and the US's favored allay Saddam
> Hussein!) were armed by the US...... which explains the distrust and
> animosity of the Iranians in power towards the US......
> He also wrote:
> " Peace through strength will always work with oppressive aggressors."
> Precisely the attitude of the Iranians (and their opinion - somewhat
> justified by past events - of the US)......
> NOTE: I am not in favor of nuclear arms for Iran: just pointing out that it
> is necessary to look at all sides of an argument.....
> Regards
> Doug
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