[ RadSafe ] radiation FROM THE SUN?

Sat Mar 13 00:16:07 CST 2010

"I beg to differ and wish to clarify one thing.  The global warming that the
Earth routinely experiences has everything to do with radiation FROM THE
SUN.   Granted...the ad nauseum topic(s) of global warming on this list
dealt a lot more with the politics. (Honestly, I stopped reading after
awhile.)"

During these last 30 years the solar total irradiance, solar UV irradiance
and cosmic ray flux has not shown any significant secular trend, so that at
least this most recent warming episode must have another source.

In fact, measurements of solar activity indicate the sun has shown a slight
cooling trend since 1960, over the same period that global temperatures have
been warming. Over the last 35 years of global warming, sun and climate have
been moving in opposite directions. An analysis of solar trends conclude
that the sun has actually contributed a slight cooling influence in recent
decades.

This conclusion is confirmed by many studies finding that while the sun
contributed to warming in the early 20th Century, it has had little
contribution (most likely negative) in the last few decades:

The decade ending in 2009 was the warmest on record, new surface temperature
figures released by the National Aeronautics and Space Administration show.

2009 was the second warmest year since 1880, when modern temperature
measurement began. The warmest year was 2005. The other hottest recorded
years have all occurred since 1998, NASA said.

The last decade is the warmest on record.

Experts led by NOAA and sponsored by NASA says "If our prediction is
correct, Solar Cycle 24 will have a peak sunspot number of 90, the lowest of
any cycle since 1928 when Solar Cycle 16 peaked at 78," says panel chairman
Doug Biesecker of the NOAA Space Weather Prediction Center.
Of course these are just numbers. 

YRMV - depending on your politics.
LA

-----Original Message-----
From: Dustin G. Miller [mailto:dgmiller at enercon.com] 
Sent: Saturday, March 13, 2010 12:01 AM
To: 'Jess L. Addis III'
Cc: radsafe at health.phys.iit.edu
Subject: RE: [ RadSafe ] Marine safety and whaling

I beg to differ and wish to clarify one thing.  The global warming that the
Earth routinely experiences has everything to do with radiation FROM THE
SUN.   Granted...the ad nauseum topic(s) of global warming on this list
dealt a lot more with the politics. (Honestly, I stopped reading after
awhile.)

I invite you to visit www.spaceweather.com and they have some great
information on the sunspot cycles and how they affect the Earth's
temperature.

Respectfully,

Dustin Miller

-----Original Message-----
From: radsafe-bounces at health.phys.iit.edu
[mailto:radsafe-bounces at health.phys.iit.edu] On Behalf Of Jess L. Addis III
Sent: Friday, March 12, 2010 11:46 PM
To: 'Dan'; 'juan Stevens'
Cc: 'Doug Huffman'; radsafe at health.phys.iit.edu
Subject: Re: [ RadSafe ] Marine safety and whaling

Hey, sorry I asked. I just consider the people on the list some of the most
well informed and thoughtful people I have had the pleasure to know, as it
were.

I'm not out to save the whales. 

Global warming did not "HAVE TO DO WITH RADIATION" either, but it went on ad
nauseam.

I'd delete the post if I could. Feel free to use your delete button or reply
off list.

Thanks,
LA

-----Original Message-----
From: Dan [mailto:hotgreenchile at gmail.com] 
Sent: Friday, March 12, 2010 11:00 PM
To: juan Stevens
Cc: Doug Huffman; Jess L. Addis III; radsafe at health.phys.iit.edu
Subject: Re: [ RadSafe ] Marine safety and whaling

Dear Juan:

It's Friday night and the boys are a little wild.

Dan W McCarn
HotGreenChile at gmail.com
+1-505-310-3922
Sent from my iPhone

On Mar 12, 2010, at 7:15 PM, juan Stevens <kc5twe at yahoo.com> wrote:

> I agree with you both and my heart goes out to you and your very  
> justified concern
> about saving the whales.  I am a member of the ASPCA and love  
> animals BUT WHAT
> THE HECK DOES THIS HAVE TO DO WITH RADIATION??  IS THIS A RAD-SAFE
> FORUM or NOT??
>
>
>
> ________________________________
> From: Doug Huffman <doug.huffman at wildblue.net>
> To: Jess L. Addis III <ajess at clemson.edu>
> Cc: radsafe at health.phys.iit.edu
> Sent: Fri, March 12, 2010 6:50:37 PM
> Subject: Re: [ RadSafe ] Marine safety and whaling
>
> Forcing moral equivalency between beasts and men is waay above my pay
> grade.  Racism stems from a false premise.  Culture-ism will out.
> Species-ism is death.
>
> On 3/12/2010 19:37, Jess L. Addis III wrote:
>> I watched as a big Japanese "research" commercial whaling vessel  
>> ran over a
>> protestor vessel (ecological terrorist?) and I have a question  
>> that's been
>> on my mind a lot lately. Yes, I am an omnivore, but:
>>
>> I know this is a safety list, but soooo many things have come and  
>> gone as of
>> late that have stood up to scrutiny and were not strictly safety  
>> related, I
>> want to ask a question.
>>
>> How many here think it's OK to harvest/kill/murder, whales?  Pick  
>> the word
>> that makes you most comfortable/uncomfortable?
>>
>> Some "first world" industrialized nations that are high tech,  
>> generally very
>> well educated nations, the Japanese and maybe Norway come to mind,  
>> think
>> it's good, as in good to eat whales, to kill/harvest whales.
>>
>> It has dawned on me over time that whales have huge brains, big  
>> eyes that
>> see very well (day or night under water or above) and their species  
>> have
>> been around much, much longer than bipedal primates (humans) of any  
>> stripe.
>>
>> These mammals, air breathers,  have been on the planet and have  
>> watched the
>> sun and moon go up and go down and watched the night sky with all  
>> its stars
>> for millions of years longer than our species have, may be really  
>> "smart"
>> and self aware, much (just) like we humans are.
>>
>> They sing their songs and may exchange stories and pass on history to
>> successive generations just like we do and may have been doing it for
>> millions of years longer.
>>
>> Most of their species didn't kill each other for any reason and  
>> make war,
>> much less cut hearts out and throw people down steps of pyramids  
>> and such,
>> to make the sun come up and make rain fall.
>>
>> Just sayn'
>>
>> What do ya'll think?
>>
>> I'll understand if you guys want to throw me down the steps for  
>> asking.
>>
>> LA
>>
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