[ RadSafe ] Climate Change a fraud?

Sat Oct 30 09:44:25 CDT 2010

I believe you should have said habitable instead of inhabitable.

The green house effect, like many natural phenomena, is quite variable. This effect is more proof that NATURE herself has more to do with our environment than do the responsible and needed actions of humans.

Let's see: Stop all generation of carbon dioxide. Just live in a cave and hope you can stay warm by magic. Yes, burning wood generates that evil gas carbon dioxide- as does your breathing. And if you do decide to stay warm by shared bodily warmth, then that could lead to more evil little, carbon dioxide generating humans...PLEASE spare me the global warming platitudes!!! 

The oceans do more than help regulate the temperature of the planet. They, too, are a chemical engine which has changed throughout time. Let's just all be sensible and base our actions on good, reputable science. "Cowtowing" to alarmists is playing right into their hands. It's all about power, money, and control of people.

Let's keep RADSAFE on the topic of radiation.

My two cents worth only.

John Dixon

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Sent: Wed Oct 27 18:23:48 2010
Subject: Re: [ RadSafe ] Climate Change a fraud?

1. The Green House Effect is a recognized scientific fact.
2. It is recognized that CO2 contributes to the phenomenon.
3. Modern technology, automobiles, power plants etc. generate CO2.
4. The green house effect results in warming of the atmosphere which directly effects climate.

Therefore, CO2 and man's actions contribute to climate change.

One can argue the degree of contribution but not whether the phenomenon  exists.

4. Fact: CO2 is not the only green house gas that is generated by man's activities.

5. Fact: sun spots don't contribute to ocean acidity.
6. Fact: There has been a significant change in ocean acidity in the last 150 years.
7  Fact: CO2 is the major contributor to ocean acidity.
8. Fact: There is already recognizable damage to coral reefs from ocean acidity.

Ocean acidity is not far below the level that will result in dissolution of reefs and prevent shell fish from forming shells.

So completely ignore climate change but don't plan to go scuba diving on reefs or eat oysters in the future.

The potential impact goes far beyond what I've described.

Don't worry about that either because we can't afford to make the changes to limit the problem and the full effect may not happen in our life time.

Let me get personal. My father-in-law will turn 100 next year. He has a 5 year old grandson. This has caused me to rethink my attitude about many things. Mostly, I make decisions which might affect people on a century scale not my projected and somewhat limited life span.
I worry about bankrupting my children, grandchildren and potential succeeding generations with the national debt. So do a lot of people.
The people who scream the most about the debt tend to be many of the climate change deniers.

Because of the debt, my great grandchildren may not be able to afford food, shelter or clothing, but I don't worry about this because the earth won't be inhabitable anyway.

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From: radsafe-bounces at health.phys.iit.edu [radsafe-bounces at health.phys.iit.edu] On Behalf Of Mike Quastel [maay100 at bgu.ac.il]
Sent: Friday, October 15, 2010 4:13 PM
To: The International Radiation Protection (Health Physics) Mailing     List
Subject: [ RadSafe ] Climate Change a fraud?

I have been concerned to hear during the past year or so, even  from
this otherwise informative and properly skeptical group, statements
that findings of climate warming- or more properly climate change- is
some sort of fraud, scam or conspiracy. The geologic and
oceanographic evidence so far really does seem to support that
climate change is taking place in our own lifetime. Whether it will
turn out to be man made, a natural cycle, some sort of solar
phenomenon, temporary or cumulative in the long run remains to be
seen. There is nothing wrong with being skeptical -  indeed, that is
the proper scientific approach -  but in view of the potentially very
serious global consequences, it would be wise to keep an open mind on
the subject and most definitely not rule out the possibility of human
causation.

Mike Quastel

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