[ RadSafe ] Support Radon Mine but mention "kill" scientist make nosense, help!

[Brennan, Mike (DOH)]

Hi, John.

There several "radon health mines" offering people the chance to sit in an old mine (or a building above a vent from a mine) and breath high concentrations of radon.  The ones I am aware of in the US are in Montana, but there could be others.  They are sometimes played out radium mines, but any shaft-type mine will probably do.  The list of things they claim to help with is impressive: http://www.radonmine.com/why.html.  

While I am open to the idea of hormesis, I am unconvinced that breathing radon gas in a mine has a positive health effect.  I also don't believe it has a negative effect, both because the total additional dose fairly small (due to limited exposure times) and the often advanced age of the clientele (negative health effects with long latency periods lose much of their sting after a certain age).  

As I said, I believe "radon health mines" are quackery, but I don't invest much emotional capital in objecting to them.  When I feel the need to rail against quackery, I find denouncing the anti-vaccine people more satisfying.  

 


-----Original Message-----
From: radsafe-bounces at health.phys.iit.edu [mailto:radsafe-bounces at health.phys.iit.edu] On Behalf Of John R Johnson
Sent: Wednesday, May 04, 2011 10:05 AM
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Subject: Re: [ RadSafe ] Support Radon Mine but mention "kill" scientist make nosense, help!

Mike

I have never heard of  "radon mines", but only radon in mines.

John
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----- Original Message ----- 
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make nosense, help!


>I don't recall any general "support" of radon mines; I think the attitude 
>is more one of dismissal as quackery.  Nor do I recall anyone advocating 
>that Helen Caldicott (who is not, by the way, in any way a scientist) be 
>"killed".  Indeed, I believe the overwhelming consensus is that she is a 
>quack, though likely more harmful to mankind's overall health than radon 
>mines.
>
> Mr. Sato, you are obviously not a native English speaker, so I will accept 
> that you are not familiar with our culture.  If you take the time to learn 
> about our culture, it might save you embarrassment in front of the people 
> you wish to converse with.  The subject line and first paragraph of your 
> post are an attempt to place words in the mouths of others; to make it 
> appear that they are taking an unreasonable position.  It is not even a 
> very good attempt.  That you would try something this intellectually 
> dishonest, and be so poor at it, causes you to lose a great deal of face 
> in front of the people you are taking too.  Indeed, you have already lost 
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> Subject: [ RadSafe ] Support Radon Mine but mention "kill" scientist make 
> nosense, help!
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> Support radon mine but "kill" scientist Helen Caldicott make for no sense!
> Please help to understand. Make no sense of what so ever. Explain please!
> What to is this "Radsafe"? Seem no concern for "safe" ! At all. WHY named
> then "safe"?
> Radon science say dangerous and Caldicott try to help safety.
>
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