[ RadSafe ] Support Radon Mine but mention "kill" scientist make nosense, help!

[John R Johnson]

You're right Mike.

My experience is with uranium mines in Ontario ans Saskatchewan.

John

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Brennan, Mike (DOH)" <Mike.Brennan at DOH.WA.GOV>
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Subject: Re: [ RadSafe ] Support Radon Mine but mention "kill" scientist 
make nosense, help!


> Hi, John.
>
> There several "radon health mines" offering people the chance to sit in an 
> old mine (or a building above a vent from a mine) and breath high 
> concentrations of radon.  The ones I am aware of in the US are in Montana, 
> but there could be others.  They are sometimes played out radium mines, 
> but any shaft-type mine will probably do.  The list of things they claim 
> to help with is impressive: http://www.radonmine.com/why.html.
>
> While I am open to the idea of hormesis, I am unconvinced that breathing 
> radon gas in a mine has a positive health effect.  I also don't believe it 
> has a negative effect, both because the total additional dose fairly small 
> (due to limited exposure times) and the often advanced age of the 
> clientele (negative health effects with long latency periods lose much of 
> their sting after a certain age).
>
> As I said, I believe "radon health mines" are quackery, but I don't invest 
> much emotional capital in objecting to them.  When I feel the need to rail 
> against quackery, I find denouncing the anti-vaccine people more 
> satisfying.
>
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: radsafe-bounces at health.phys.iit.edu 
> [mailto:radsafe-bounces at health.phys.iit.edu] On Behalf Of John R Johnson
> Sent: Wednesday, May 04, 2011 10:05 AM
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> Subject: Re: [ RadSafe ] Support Radon Mine but mention "kill" scientist 
> make nosense, help!
>
> Mike
>
> I have never heard of  "radon mines", but only radon in mines.
>
> John
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> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Brennan, Mike (DOH)" <Mike.Brennan at DOH.WA.GOV>
> To: "The International Radiation Protection (Health Physics) MailingList"
> <radsafe at health.phys.iit.edu>
> Sent: Wednesday, May 04, 2011 9:32 AM
> Subject: Re: [ RadSafe ] Support Radon Mine but mention "kill" scientist
> make nosense, help!
>
>
>>I don't recall any general "support" of radon mines; I think the attitude
>>is more one of dismissal as quackery.  Nor do I recall anyone advocating
>>that Helen Caldicott (who is not, by the way, in any way a scientist) be
>>"killed".  Indeed, I believe the overwhelming consensus is that she is a
>>quack, though likely more harmful to mankind's overall health than radon
>>mines.
>>
>> Mr. Sato, you are obviously not a native English speaker, so I will 
>> accept
>> that you are not familiar with our culture.  If you take the time to 
>> learn
>> about our culture, it might save you embarrassment in front of the people
>> you wish to converse with.  The subject line and first paragraph of your
>> post are an attempt to place words in the mouths of others; to make it
>> appear that they are taking an unreasonable position.  It is not even a
>> very good attempt.  That you would try something this intellectually
>> dishonest, and be so poor at it, causes you to lose a great deal of face
>> in front of the people you are taking too.  Indeed, you have already lost
>> so much face that most people on radsafe are embarrassed to be seen
>> conversing with you, as they are concerned that your incorrect behavior
>> will reflect badly on them.  They are mindful of the saying, "don't
>> wrestle with a pig; you will get dirty, and the pig will enjoy it more
>> than you will".
>>
>> If you are interested in knowing more about radiation, radsafe is a 
>> fairly
>> good place to learn, but you first must learn to be polite.
>>
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: radsafe-bounces at health.phys.iit.edu
>> [mailto:radsafe-bounces at health.phys.iit.edu] On Behalf Of
>> RRGWNYEnviro at aol.com
>> Sent: Tuesday, May 03, 2011 9:32 PM
>> To: radsafe at health.phys.iit.edu
>> Cc: rrgwnyenviro at aol.com
>> Subject: [ RadSafe ] Support Radon Mine but mention "kill" scientist make
>> nosense, help!
>>
>> Support radon mine but "kill" scientist Helen Caldicott make for no 
>> sense!
>> Please help to understand. Make no sense of what so ever. Explain please!
>> What to is this "Radsafe"? Seem no concern for "safe" ! At all. WHY named
>> then "safe"?
>> Radon science say dangerous and Caldicott try to help safety.
>>
>> Please see comments these made here;
>> _http://health.phys.iit.edu/archives/2011-May/032089.html_
>> (http://health.phys.iit.edu/archives/2011-May/032089.html)
>> _http://health.phys.iit.edu/archives/2011-May/032106.html_
>> (http://health.phys.iit.edu/archives/2011-May/032106.html)
>>
>>
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>> ... Radon is much more likely to cause lung cancer in people who smoke.
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>> carcinoma, squamous cell carcinoma, and adenocarinoma of the lung.
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>> Jan 14, 2011 ... Radon Causes Lung Cancer in Non-Smokers and Smokers 
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>> Aug 19, 2009 ... Radon is the #2 cause of lung cancer in the U.S. and the
>> #1 cause among nonsmokers, according to the EPA. Find out about the risks
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>> reminding Iowans to test their home for radon. The poisonous gas affects
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>> Residential Radon Gas Exposure and Lung Cancer
>> by RW Field - 2000 - Cited by 134 - Related articles
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>> Residential radon and risk of lung cancer: a combined analysis of ...
>> by D Krewski - 2005 - Cited by 147 - Related articles
>> BACKGROUND: Underground miners exposed to high levels of radon have an
>> excess risk of lung cancer. Residential exposure to radon is at much 
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>> (http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/15703527)
>>
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>> (http://www.indoor-air-health-advisor.com/radon.html)
>>
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