[ RadSafe ] RadSafe Digest, Vol 769, Issue 1

Tue Oct 11 13:19:10 CDT 2011

Mike, 

You are an optimist - do you really expect that our ramanspecroscopist is able to follow your reasoning - I doubt it!!!!

Franz

---- "Brennan schrieb:
> So, what is the uranium carrying capacity of a single human sperm?  And
> how much uranium does the father have to have in his system in order for
> every sperm he generates over a (fill in the blank) number of years has
> that amount?
> 
> If you are going to claim that Gulf War vets father children with a
> significant increase in congenital anomalies, that's one thing.  It can
> be shown with statistics, and assuming your data is of high quality and
> your analysis unbiased (two assumptions that, alas, I don't think can be
> accepted out of hand), the numbers can speak for themselves.  On the
> other hand, if you say, or even imply (as you clearly are doing here)
> that uranium is the cause, then you need to show that you have excluded
> all other possibilities (close to impossible) or that you have a
> convincing mechanism that deals with all objections.  I don't think you
> are even close to that.
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: radsafe-bounces at health.phys.iit.edu
> [mailto:radsafe-bounces at health.phys.iit.edu] On Behalf Of Busby, Chris
> Sent: Tuesday, October 11, 2011 10:59 AM
> To: The International Radiation Protection (Health Physics) Mailing
> List; radsafe at health.phys.iit.edu
> Subject: Re: [ RadSafe ] RadSafe Digest, Vol 769, Issue 1
> 
> 
> Dear Tony Harrison MSPH
> 
> It is a difference in Uranium content (and Uranium isotopes) in hair
> between Sweden and Fallujah. 
> It has nothing to do with pre and ante natal care in Sweden and
> Fallujah.
> Why would you imagine Uranium in hair has anything to do with pre and
> ante natal care in Sweden? What is your logic??????????
> 
> If you are saying that the levels of Congenital anomalies are higher in
> Iraq than in Sweden becasue of pre/ante natal care you are wrong. We
> disposed of that one in a previous paper where we compared with Egypt,
> Jordan and Kuwait and indeed in this one were we draw attemntion to the
> significant increase in congenital anomalies in the children of Gulf War
> veterans.
> 
> The reason there were no controls for births without congenital
> anomalies is that everyone was contaminated. The controls were Sweden,
> Israel, other countries where U was measured in hair. Check the paper.
> 
> Buit what none of you have commented on is the fact that we measured
> ENRICHED Uranium.
> 
> Cheers
> Chris 
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: radsafe-bounces at agni.phys.iit.edu on behalf of Harrison, Tony
> Sent: Tue 11/10/2011 15:15
> To: radsafe at health.phys.iit.edu
> Subject: Re: [ RadSafe ] RadSafe Digest, Vol 769, Issue 1
>  
> Had he picked controls from Fallujah who DID NOT have babies with
> abnormalities, he could have made a nice case/control study out of it.
> It's not likely that he'd have seen an effect from uranium, so I guess
> that explains why he didn't do that.
> 
> I think he's mostly comparing the quality of pre-natal care in Sweden to
> that in Iraq.  Significant difference!  I'm shocked!
> 
> 
> Tony Harrison, MSPH
> Colorado Department of Public Health and Environment
> Laboratory Services Division
> 303-692-3046
> 
> 
> Date: Sun, 09 Oct 2011 10:02:52 -0700
> From: "Otto G. Raabe" <ograabe at ucdavis.edu>
> Subject: Re: [ RadSafe ] RadSafe Digest, Vol 764, Issue 3
> To: "The International Radiation Protection \(Health Physics\) Mailing
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> At 12:47 AM 10/7/2011, Busby, Chris wrote:
> >     Uranium and other contaminants in hair from the parents of 
> > children with congenital anomalies in Fallujah, Iraq
> >Samira Alaani, Muhammed Tafash, Christopher Busby, Malak Hamdan and 
> >Eleonore Blaurock-Busch Conflict and Health 2011, 5:15 (2 September
> 2011)
> >http://www.conflictandhealth.com/content/5/1/15
> ***********************************************************
> The chemical analysis in this study may be okay, but the logic 
> surrounding the so-called effects in this paper is fatally flawed. 
> Traces of uranium are in food and water, and everybody has some 
> uranium in the body. However, it is one of the least toxic of the 
> heavy metals.
> 
> It. is not surprising that there may be significant differences in 
> traces of uranium in people who live in different parts of world.
> 
> Guilt by selective association is not science. I do not believe that 
> this paper could ever be accepted by any major epidemiology journal.
> 
> In one of the classes that taught at UCD I had the students read 
> "Deadly Deceit" by Jay Gould and Benjamin Goldman (1990) so that 
> could recognize the faulty one-dimensional logic of the dedicated 
> anti-nuclear activists such as Busby.
> 
> Otto
> 
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