[ RadSafe ] Aftermath of Fukishima - Thousands of Deaths Preventable by H...

Tue Oct 16 19:57:10 CDT 2012

Hey Jerry Cohen/Radsafe,

      I like your post.  Your point about New  Madrid, Missouri is quite 
interesting.
1812 ---  3 earthquakes were in the vicinity of magnitude 8.0.   The New 
Madrid events weren't really
capable of generating any tsunamis.  I wonder a bit what would happen  if a 
New Madrid event would
happen now in Missouri.  How many nuclear plants are within 500 miles  of 
New Madrid???
I don't expect such an event will happen in the next 100 years.   According 
to Otto Nuttli of St. Louis U.
(see the earthquake book by James J. Nance) a large earthquake in New  
Madrid will have pretty
severe effects for much of the Eastern USA coast and Missouri.   Eastern 
USA rocks/geology would
transmit seismic energy rather well--- without much attenuation.   Western 
USA rocks/geology
are more deformed and would attenuate seismic energy more greatly.

     The Fukushima earthquake was in the 9.0 magnitude  range.  The tsunami 
did happen.
The events in Japan and Indonesia (3 or so quakes in the vicinity of 9.0  
magnitude in the last 20 years)
did produce tsunamis.  These 9.0 earthquakes rival the biggest  earthquakes 
ever to happen
in the world.  More such earthquakes could occur in Japan, and not  just 
100 years from now.
Nuclear power does not belong on Japan's coastlines.

     Maybe the USGS and/or US NRC should study the  effect of an 8.0 
earthquake in New Madrid
on Eastern/Central USA Nuclear Reactors.  It would be a good  investment.

    Maybe they (ITER, Princeton, and so on) will get Fusion  working soon 
(would you bet on that,
Jerry???) and then we wouldn't have to worry so much about reactors and  
earthquakes.  I suspect the current group of USA reactors will continue to  
provide power for the next 20 years or so.

    Take Care...   Joe Preisig

In a message dated 10/16/2012 6:01:55 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,  
jjc105 at yahoo.com writes:

Joe,
I think you missed the point. All you  have described regarding the seismic 
fragility of Japan is true. However,  despite this fact, the overall risk 
from 
nuclear installations is well  within the generally accepted limits of 
risk acceptability. The  recent earthquake/tsunami incident may not recur 
for 
many centuries. The  entire U.S.A is certainly not immune to similar 
catastrophes. One of the  our worst earthquakes happened at New Madrid , 
Missouri 
in an area of  relatively low seismicity.  There are no guarantees that  
disasters of most any magnitude will not occur just about anywhere. If we  
were 
to accept the "precautionary principle", and base all decisions on  risk 
avoidance, society could grind to a halt, and quality of  life
would drastically diminish. 

Jerry  Cohen

________________________________
From:  "JPreisig at aol.com" <JPreisig at aol.com>
To:  radsafe at health.phys.iit.edu
Sent: Tue, October 16, 2012 12:33:36  PM
Subject: Re: [ RadSafe ] Aftermath of Fukishima - Thousands of Deaths  
Preventable by H...

Dr. Long, Radsafe,

Japan  is a special situation.  It is a set of  small islands which are  
quite seismically active.
The placement of very large (global scale  subduction) faults in close  
proximity to the islands make
tsunami  risks and loss-of-life quite real.  Japan doesn't have all  that  
much available farmland.
One bad nuclear accident and companion tsunami  has harmed a fair chunk of  
their farmland.
They are deciding to  phase out nuclear power.  It makes good sense for   
Japan.

The are many places on Earth for which  Nuclear  Power is a very viable 
power option.

Most of the USA is a great place for nuclear  power.

Have a good week...

Joseph R. (Joe) Preisig,  PhD

In a message dated  10/16/2012 3:23:02 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,   
howard.long at comcast.net writes:

Jerry,  
Your conference on  Radiation Hormesis, Health Physics, May, 1987,  
(which I just pulled  out of the file by my desk) 
is updated by Dr  Orient's one page on  
The Aftermath of Fukishima in Civil Defense  Perspectives  (Google).

It gives enough info. to write and speak on   (headings):
The Harm of Over-reaction
Consistent, Meaningful   Doses
Establishing a Rational Evacuation Standard

You-all can  best  respond to fear mongers who question your very  
existence!
"Should Japan,  and the world, totally give up on nuclear  energy (Nature  
6/7/12)?"

Howard Long, Family Doctor, Doctors  for Disaster Preparedness  Board Member

On Oct 16, 2012, at  10:10 AM, Jerry Cohen  <jjc105 at yahoo.com> wrote:

>  
> 
>  Howard,
>    Are you suggesting that  the way to deal  with a blunder (LNT)
>  is to ignore and/or  perpetuate it?
>  
> Jerry Cohen
> 
>  ________________________________
>  From: Howard Long  <howard.long at comcast.net>
> To: The Protection  MailingList  International Radiation 
>   <radsafe at health.phys.iit.edu>
> Cc: Orient Jane   <janeorientmd at gmail.com>
> Sent: Tue, October 16, 2012  9:38:53  AM
> Subject: [ RadSafe ] Aftermath of Fukishima -  Thousands of Deaths  
Preventable by 
> Health  Physicists!
> 
> This concise page  of technical and  political data ends with,
> " If we were, however, to  admit that  low-dose radiation is not only 
safe 
but 
> might cure cancer   and prevent birth defects, what would happen to 
compensation 
>  payments  to people irradiated at Hiroshima or Chernobyl, or the  
reputation of 
>  health physicists?
> 
> Health  physicists have a duty to save  thousands of lives from 
deprivation  in 
> Japan, now.
> Who will  raise the voice of science to  discredit the fearmongers?
> This page  prepares you:
>  
> Google :  Civil Defense Perspectives Sept  2012
>  
> Howard Long
> 
>   _______________________________________________
>   
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