[ RadSafe ] Anyone want to take over the list
Brad Keck
bradkeck at mac.com
Tue Aug 19 15:53:18 CDT 2014
All,
As both a poster AND a lurker, I share your enthusiasm for the free exchange of ideas in RadSafe, and I have no problem personally applying my own "filter" as needed if someone goes off the deep end!
I confess I don't exactly know what the DMARC standard is, but anything we can do to encourage members to work around it seems a good thing to me - seems to me that almost everyone has a personal address they could use if that helps the forum continue to be representative of the diverse working groups that we have and to assist the broad exchange of ideas.
Keep up the good work, Rad Safers!
Brad
On Aug 19, 2014, at 2:43 PM, Sander Perle wrote:
> Thanks Ted,
>
> I have my own domain as well, basically for storing photos from back to 1999
> and creating the photo web pages. Some advertising from external companies,
> etc. I also have opportunity for a large number of e-mail addresses but
> never used any of them. However, this is a good suggestion for others to
> consider. So far cox.net is not having an issue. Don’t know about gmail.
>
> Regards,
>
> Sandy
> Retired, Consultant
>
> From: Ted de Castro <tdc at xrayted.com>
> Reply-To: "The International Radiation Protection (Health Physics) Mailing
> List" <radsafe at health.phys.iit.edu>
> Date: Tuesday, August 19, 2014 at 12:38 PM
> To: "The International Radiation Protection (Health Physics) Mailing List"
> <radsafe at health.phys.iit.edu>
> Subject: Re: [ RadSafe ] Anyone want to take over the list
>
> OF COURSE - and thank-you Sandy for that clarification. (I thought you
> where "blaming" individual posters for not doing something one should
> reasonably expect competent listserver software to do, ie. annotate a
> message with the identity of the poster)
>
> Since I have ALWAYS accessed RADSAFE with not only my own email address
> but my own domain as well and thus be free to say whatever I wished,
> that thought never even occurred to me. BUT apparently some email hosts
> started rejecting the list - like Yahoo, and only now some organizations
> are joining in.
>
> I know changing email hosts is a pain - BUT you can get your own domain
> for a little as $3.95 a year and hosting can be cheap too - mine is only
> $40 per year for GREAT service and NONE of these issues! So - I hope we
> can find a way to make this all work DESPITE these issues.
>
> As for saving ALL the posts - what can I say - I'm a packrat - (although
> a much more pejorative term has come into common usage recently) and it
> has proven useful many times. If I want something saved for future
> reference - I don't expect someone else to do it for me! It even helped
> once when RADSAFE lost some!! And mine are backed up as well - nice
> thing about having 19T capacity on my home network (RADSAFE posts take
> VERY little of that!!!
>
>
>
> On 8/19/2014 12:11 PM, Sander Perle wrote:
>> Hi Ted,
>>
>> Your note, I don't understand "it¹s the issue with the other individuals and
>> their
>> systems”. I was referring to the fact that all of the systems who reject
>> list servers, or don’t allow including their affiliation, that is a problem
>> that is not a Radsafe problem. If these individuals have an issue with their
>> employer, they could become a member using their personal e-mail and read or
>> write to their heart’s content. For Radsafe to consider shutting down
>> because a significant number of members are losing their access (recently
>> the NRC) would be a serious void to those of us who have been on Radsafe for
>> a long time, and, the excellent information that is provided. I have been a
>> member for a very long time, but not as long as you!
>>
>> I am impressed that you have all of the posts!!!
>>
>> Regards,
>>
>> Sandy
>> Retired, Consultant
>>
>> From: Ted de Castro <tdc at xrayted.com>
>> Reply-To: "The International Radiation Protection (Health Physics) Mailing
>> List" <radsafe at health.phys.iit.edu>
>> Date: Tuesday, August 19, 2014 at 12:03 PM
>> To: "The International Radiation Protection (Health Physics) Mailing List"
>> <radsafe at health.phys.iit.edu>
>> Subject: Re: [ RadSafe ] Anyone want to take over the list
>>
>> I was going to resist chiming in here BUT ...
>>
>> Having been with RADSAFE since day 1 as a BBS - I like it and I also
>> enjoy the diversions which are most usually technical in nature and
>> illuminating of the personalities of the posters. When they are not AND
>> don't interest me - I can always skip to the next message (I never
>> delete a RADSAFE message and have them ALL archived since listserver
>> days began - thought I had the BBS ones too - but can't find them).
>>
>> I never thought of it as a source that was REQUIRED to provide free
>> professional consultation (don't the CHPs have some sort of resource to
>> serve that purpose) and have always appreciated the help kindly and
>> freely given when solicited. I see it as more of a community than a
>> resource and feel as if I have almost gotten to know many people whom I
>> have never met.
>>
>> The moderation has been light handed and therefore GREAT and very
>> appreciated - ESPECIALLY considering these legal trials and tribulations
>> they have had to put up with and which we have never known about until
>> just now! I can't imagine how hard it must be to convince an
>> organization to continue to host it!
>>
>> I don't understand "it¹s the issue with the other individuals and their
>> systems".
>>
>> I am consulting a friend who is VERY expert in the web and listservers
>> so see if he can offer a solution to this obnoxious new protocol.
>> Hopefully we find some way to keep it all working.
>>
>> Ted de Castro
>>
>>
>> On 8/19/2014 11:11 AM, Dan McCarn wrote:
>>> Dear Group:
>>>
>>> My 2 cents as well: I enjoy the ad hoc nature of RADSAFE even when the
>>> topics get a little odd. That said, I've not noticed too much piling on
>>> after a thread is exhausted. And when I do, it's easy enough to dismiss
>>> them. I think the level of moderation is adequate for the group. Jeff has
>>> stepped-in on occasion, but otherwise has left the floor open for
>>> discussion.
>>>
>>> Best!
>>>
>>> Dan ii
>>>
>>> Dan W McCarn, Geologist
>>> 108 Sherwood Blvd
>>> Los Alamos, NM 87544-3425
>>> +1-505-672-2014 (Home New Mexico)
>>> +1-505-670-8123 (Mobile - New Mexico)
>>> HotGreenChile at gmail.com (Private email) HotGreenChile at gmail dot com
>>>
>>>
>>> On Tue, Aug 19, 2014 at 11:56 AM, Jeff Terry <terryj at iit.edu> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Hi Sandy,
>>>>
>>>> Thanks, I guess that is one way to look at it. I hadn't been thinking
>>>> about it like that.
>>>>
>>>> Jeff
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Aug 19, 2014, at 11:55 AM, Sander Perle <sandyfl at cox.net> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Hi Jeff,
>>>>>
>>>>> As we all agree that Radsafe is worthwhile, the issue isn¹t with IIT or
>>>>> Radsafe, it¹s the issue with the other individuals and their systems.
>>>>>
>>>>> Regards,
>>>>>
>>>>> Sandy
>>>>> Retired, Consultant
>>>>>
>>>>> From: Jeff Terry <terryj at iit.edu>
>>>>> Reply-To: "The International Radiation Protection (Health Physics)
>>>> Mailing
>>>>> List" <radsafe at health.phys.iit.edu>
>>>>> Date: Tuesday, August 19, 2014 at 9:39 AM
>>>>> To: "The International Radiation Protection (Health Physics) Mailing
>>>> List"
>>>>> <radsafe at health.phys.iit.edu>
>>>>> Subject: Re: [ RadSafe ] Anyone want to take over the list
>>>>>
>>>>> I agree that RADSAFE is very worthwhile. My concern is that we are losing
>>>>> about 125-150 people per month as more groups start following the DMARC
>>>>> email standard.
>>>>>
>>>>> Jeff
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On Aug 19, 2014, at 10:39 AM, "Brennan, Mike (DOH)"
>>>>> <Mike.Brennan at DOH.WA.GOV> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> I believe that RADSAFE is very worthwhile. It has given me the chance
>>>> to see
>>>>>> knowledgeable people discuss parts of the rad biz that I don't have much
>>>>>> experience with. It has encouraged me to think about some of the
>>>> nuances that
>>>>>> have improved my understanding of the Big Picture. It has offered me a
>>>> place
>>>>>> where I can offer the odd bit of radiation related humor that my wife
>>>> doesn't
>>>>>> get. I sincerely hope it continues.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>> From: radsafe-bounces at health.phys.iit.edu
>>>>>> [mailto:radsafe-bounces at health.phys.iit.edu] On Behalf Of Sandy Perle
>>>>>> Sent: Tuesday, August 19, 2014 7:08 AM
>>>>>> To: The International Radiation Protection (Health Physics) Mailing List
>>>>>> Subject: Re: [ RadSafe ] Anyone want to take over the list
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Many of those on the list aren't posting anyway, they lurk. John is
>>>> correct
>>>>>> that Radsafe has served it's function well and should continue, even
>>>> with less
>>>>>> membership.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> If someone won 't provide the required info, delete them from the list.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Regards,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Sandy
>>>>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Aug 19, 2014, at 6:52 AM, JOHN.RICH at sargentlundy.com wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> The RADSAFE list server has been a big help for rad monitor related
>>>>>>> issues (among other things). While ivory tower thoughts are great,
>>>>>>> nothing beats real experience. Since we're losing "experienced"
>>>>>>> people due to retirement, it seems that, as long as they're still
>>>>>>> willing to respond to posted questions, it qualifies as one of the
>>>>>>> best industry 'knowledge transfer processes'.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> - -jmr
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> John Rich
>>>>>>> 312-269-3768
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> From: Jeff Terry <terryj at iit.edu>
>>>>>>> To: The International Radiation Protection Mailing List
>>>>>>> <radsafe at health.phys.iit.edu>
>>>>>>> Date: 08/17/2014 12:43 PM
>>>>>>> Subject: [ RadSafe ] Anyone want to take over the list
>>>>>>> Sent by: radsafe-bounces at health.phys.iit.edu
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Hi All,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> We lost everyone from the NRC off the list today.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> We are not allowed by the University legal department to take
>>>>>>> responsibility for all list posts by allowing anonymous posting. This
>>>>>>> is the only current solution to blocking of listerservers by some of
>>>>>>> the major internet service providers.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> If someone else would like to take over the list and run it using that
>>>>>>> method, I would be happy to pass the running of the list along.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Otherwise, given the steady decline of membership, it may be time to
>>>>>>> just end the list.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Sorry but I don't see another practical solution.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Let me know what you think,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Jeff
>>>>>>>
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