[ RadSafe ] Anyone want to take over the list

David Hunter david.hunter at huntergeophysics.com
Tue Aug 19 17:26:04 CDT 2014 

A Google Group should solve your problem...


Best wishes,
Dave the grave Hunter
Hunter Geophysics

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On 20/08/2014, at 6:53 AM, Brad Keck <bradkeck at mac.com> wrote:

> All,
> 
> As both a poster AND a lurker, I share your enthusiasm for the free exchange of ideas in RadSafe, and I have no problem personally applying my own "filter" as needed if someone goes off the deep end!  
> 
> I confess I don't exactly know what the DMARC standard is, but anything we can do to encourage members to work around it seems a good thing to me -  seems to me that almost everyone has a personal address they could use if that helps the forum continue to be representative of the diverse working groups that we have and to assist the broad exchange of ideas.  
> 
> Keep up the good work, Rad Safers!
> 
> Brad
> 
> 
> On Aug 19, 2014, at 2:43 PM, Sander Perle wrote:
> 
>> Thanks Ted,
>> 
>> I have my own domain as well, basically for storing photos from back to 1999
>> and creating the photo web pages. Some advertising from external companies,
>> etc. I also have opportunity for a large number of e-mail addresses but
>> never used any of them. However, this is a good suggestion for others to
>> consider. So far cox.net is not having an issue. Don’t know about gmail.
>> 
>> Regards,
>> 
>> Sandy
>> Retired, Consultant
>> 
>> From:  Ted de Castro <tdc at xrayted.com>
>> Reply-To:  "The International Radiation Protection (Health Physics) Mailing
>> List" <radsafe at health.phys.iit.edu>
>> Date:  Tuesday, August 19, 2014 at 12:38 PM
>> To:  "The International Radiation Protection (Health Physics) Mailing List"
>> <radsafe at health.phys.iit.edu>
>> Subject:  Re: [ RadSafe ] Anyone want to take over the list
>> 
>> OF COURSE - and thank-you Sandy for that clarification. (I thought you
>> where "blaming" individual posters for not doing something one should
>> reasonably expect competent listserver software to do, ie. annotate a
>> message with the identity of the poster)
>> 
>> Since I have ALWAYS accessed RADSAFE with not only my own email address
>> but my own domain as well and thus be free to say whatever I wished,
>> that thought never even occurred to me. BUT apparently some email hosts
>> started rejecting the list - like Yahoo, and only now some organizations
>> are joining in.
>> 
>> I know changing email hosts is a pain - BUT you can get your own domain
>> for a little as $3.95 a year and hosting can be cheap too - mine is only
>> $40 per year for GREAT service and NONE of these issues! So - I hope we
>> can find a way to make this all work DESPITE these issues.
>> 
>> As for saving ALL the posts - what can I say - I'm a packrat - (although
>> a much more pejorative term has come into common usage recently) and it
>> has proven useful many times. If I want something saved for future
>> reference - I don't expect someone else to do it for me! It even helped
>> once when RADSAFE lost some!! And mine are backed up as well - nice
>> thing about having 19T capacity on my home network (RADSAFE posts take
>> VERY little of that!!!
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> On 8/19/2014 12:11 PM, Sander Perle wrote:
>>> Hi Ted,
>>> 
>>> Your note, I don't understand "it¹s the issue with the other individuals and
>>> their
>>> systems”. I was referring to the fact that all of the systems who reject
>>> list servers, or don’t allow including their affiliation, that is a problem
>>> that is not a Radsafe problem. If these individuals have an issue with their
>>> employer, they could become a member using their personal e-mail and read or
>>> write to their heart’s content. For Radsafe to consider shutting down
>>> because a significant number of members are losing their access (recently
>>> the NRC) would be a serious void to those of us who have been on Radsafe for
>>> a long time, and, the excellent information that is provided. I have been a
>>> member for a very long time, but not as long as you!
>>> 
>>> I am impressed that you have all of the posts!!!
>>> 
>>> Regards,
>>> 
>>> Sandy
>>> Retired, Consultant
>>> 
>>> From:  Ted de Castro <tdc at xrayted.com>
>>> Reply-To:  "The International Radiation Protection (Health Physics) Mailing
>>> List" <radsafe at health.phys.iit.edu>
>>> Date:  Tuesday, August 19, 2014 at 12:03 PM
>>> To:  "The International Radiation Protection (Health Physics) Mailing List"
>>> <radsafe at health.phys.iit.edu>
>>> Subject:  Re: [ RadSafe ] Anyone want to take over the list
>>> 
>>> I was going to resist chiming in here BUT ...
>>> 
>>> Having been with RADSAFE since day 1 as a BBS - I like it and I also
>>> enjoy the diversions which are most usually technical in nature and
>>> illuminating of the personalities of the posters.  When they are not AND
>>> don't interest me - I can always skip to the next message (I never
>>> delete a RADSAFE message and have them ALL archived since listserver
>>> days began - thought I had the BBS ones too - but can't find them).
>>> 
>>> I never thought of it as a source that was REQUIRED to provide free
>>> professional consultation (don't the CHPs have some sort of resource to
>>> serve that purpose) and have always appreciated the help kindly and
>>> freely given when solicited.  I see it as more of a community than a
>>> resource and feel as if I have almost gotten to know many people whom I
>>> have never met.
>>> 
>>> The moderation has been light handed and therefore GREAT and very
>>> appreciated - ESPECIALLY considering these legal trials and tribulations
>>> they have had to put up with and which we have never known about until
>>> just now!  I can't imagine how hard it must be to convince an
>>> organization to continue to host it!
>>> 
>>> I don't understand "it¹s the issue with the other individuals and their
>>> systems".
>>> 
>>> I am consulting a friend who is VERY expert in the web and listservers
>>> so see if he can offer a solution to this obnoxious new protocol.
>>> Hopefully we find some way to keep it all working.
>>> 
>>> Ted de Castro
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On 8/19/2014 11:11 AM, Dan McCarn wrote:
>>>> Dear Group:
>>>> 
>>>> My 2 cents as well: I enjoy the ad hoc nature of RADSAFE even when the
>>>> topics get a little odd.  That said, I've not noticed too much piling on
>>>> after a thread is exhausted.  And when I do, it's easy enough to dismiss
>>>> them.  I think the level of moderation is adequate for the group.  Jeff has
>>>> stepped-in on occasion, but otherwise has left the floor open for
>>>> discussion.
>>>> 
>>>> Best!
>>>> 
>>>> Dan ii
>>>> 
>>>> Dan W McCarn, Geologist
>>>> 108 Sherwood Blvd
>>>> Los Alamos, NM 87544-3425
>>>> +1-505-672-2014 (Home ­ New Mexico)
>>>> +1-505-670-8123 (Mobile - New Mexico)
>>>> HotGreenChile at gmail.com (Private email) HotGreenChile at gmail dot com
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> On Tue, Aug 19, 2014 at 11:56 AM, Jeff Terry <terryj at iit.edu> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>>> Hi Sandy,
>>>>> 
>>>>> Thanks, I guess that is one way to look at it. I hadn't been thinking
>>>>> about it like that.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Jeff
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> On Aug 19, 2014, at 11:55 AM, Sander Perle <sandyfl at cox.net> wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>>> Hi Jeff,
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> As we all agree that Radsafe is worthwhile, the issue isn¹t with IIT or
>>>>>> Radsafe, it¹s the issue with the other individuals and their systems.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Regards,
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Sandy
>>>>>> Retired, Consultant
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> From:  Jeff Terry <terryj at iit.edu>
>>>>>> Reply-To:  "The International Radiation Protection (Health Physics)
>>>>> Mailing
>>>>>> List" <radsafe at health.phys.iit.edu>
>>>>>> Date:  Tuesday, August 19, 2014 at 9:39 AM
>>>>>> To:  "The International Radiation Protection (Health Physics) Mailing
>>>>> List"
>>>>>> <radsafe at health.phys.iit.edu>
>>>>>> Subject:  Re: [ RadSafe ] Anyone want to take over the list
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> I agree that RADSAFE is very worthwhile. My concern is that we are losing
>>>>>> about 125-150 people per month as more groups start following the DMARC
>>>>>> email standard.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Jeff
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> On Aug 19, 2014, at 10:39 AM, "Brennan, Mike  (DOH)"
>>>>>> <Mike.Brennan at DOH.WA.GOV> wrote:
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> I believe that RADSAFE is very worthwhile.  It has given me the chance
>>>>> to see
>>>>>>> knowledgeable people discuss parts of the rad biz that I don't have much
>>>>>>> experience with.  It has encouraged me to think about some of the
>>>>> nuances that
>>>>>>> have improved my understanding of the Big Picture.  It has offered me a
>>>>> place
>>>>>>> where I can offer the odd bit of radiation related humor that my wife
>>>>> doesn't
>>>>>>> get.  I sincerely hope it continues.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>>> From: radsafe-bounces at health.phys.iit.edu
>>>>>>> [mailto:radsafe-bounces at health.phys.iit.edu] On Behalf Of Sandy Perle
>>>>>>> Sent: Tuesday, August 19, 2014 7:08 AM
>>>>>>> To: The International Radiation Protection (Health Physics) Mailing List
>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [ RadSafe ] Anyone want to take over the list
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Many of those on the list aren't posting anyway, they lurk. John is
>>>>> correct
>>>>>>> that Radsafe has served it's function well and should continue, even
>>>>> with less
>>>>>>> membership.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> If someone won 't provide the required info, delete them from the list.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Regards,
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Sandy
>>>>>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> On Aug 19, 2014, at 6:52 AM, JOHN.RICH at sargentlundy.com wrote:
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> The RADSAFE list server has been a big help for rad monitor related
>>>>>>>> issues (among other things). While ivory tower thoughts are great,
>>>>>>>> nothing beats real experience.  Since we're losing "experienced"
>>>>>>>> people due to retirement, it seems that, as long as they're still
>>>>>>>> willing to respond to posted questions, it qualifies as one of the
>>>>>>>> best industry 'knowledge transfer processes'.
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> - -jmr
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> John Rich
>>>>>>>> 312-269-3768
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> From:   Jeff Terry <terryj at iit.edu>
>>>>>>>> To:     The International Radiation Protection Mailing List
>>>>>>>> <radsafe at health.phys.iit.edu>
>>>>>>>> Date:   08/17/2014 12:43 PM
>>>>>>>> Subject:        [ RadSafe ] Anyone want to take over the list
>>>>>>>> Sent by:        radsafe-bounces at health.phys.iit.edu
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> Hi All,
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> We lost everyone from the NRC off the list today.
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> We are not allowed by the University legal department to take
>>>>>>>> responsibility for all list posts by allowing anonymous posting. This
>>>>>>>> is the only current solution to blocking of listerservers by some of
>>>>>>>> the major internet service providers.
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> If someone else would like to take over the list and run it using that
>>>>>>>> method, I would be happy to pass the running of the list along.
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> Otherwise, given the steady decline of membership, it may be time to
>>>>>>>> just end the list.
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> Sorry but I don't see another practical solution.
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> Let me know what you think,
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> Jeff
>>>>>>>> 
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