Enhanced immune response??

[FIELDRW@aol.com]

 Jim,

I read the information as you suggested.  I stand by my original assertion 
that homeopaths have not embraced low dose radiation therapy.  If you know of 
a homeopath in the United States that uses it as part of their practice, 
please let me know.  Otherwise, I agree - let's move on to another topic.

Also, It may be useful to the Listserv if you could list the peer reviewed 
scientific publications (available in English) that document how low dose 
radiation prevents or reduces cancer. Please just do not say that these 
articles show enhanced cellular or molecular responses. Stating something 
causes enhanced cellular and molecular responses is generic nonsense.  These 
terms provide no information in terms of how it may help someone fight 
cancer.  Increased T cell or IL2 production does not mean you will not get 
cancer or reduce cancers.  Immune response capable of reducing cancers 
requires specificity to the tumor.  You do not get that by a general increase 
in the number of T cells or IL2.  Researchers have given patients IL2 with 
little success in reduction of cancer.  Problems arise when you have too few 
T cells.  Extra T cells with no specificity to the tumor do little good.

Bill Field
College of Public Health
University of Iowa
bill-field@uiowa.edu


In a message dated 1/30/00 4:54:44 PM Central Standard Time, 
muckerheide@mediaone.net writes:

<< Bill,
 
 I didn't "suppose" homeo's use hormesis research, see, e.g. a 1998
 paper at at homeo conference, not only ref Arndt-Schulz, but Stebbing!?:
 http://www.entretiens-internationaux.mc/bastide.html
 (except they can't spell Schulz :-)
  
 Also, see:
 http://www.entretiens-internationaux.mc/giri.html
 1/2 way down, 3 paras before INTRO...
 
 To help the reader, the papers will be organized into four chapters;
 each chapter will be introduced by a short analysis of the papers
 included. The "Introduction" debates the question of scientific
 evolution and revolution in the context of modern science. The 1st
 chapter "Hormesis" gathers together all the papers related to this
 concept: these models are often evoked to demonstrate or to explain
 the similia law although hormesis is always based on a relationship of
 identity. The 2nd chapter "In Vitro and in Vivo Experimental Models"
 includes many experiments which demonstrate low dose or high dilution
 activity and is introduced by a summary of classical receptology. The
 3rd chapter "Therapeutics and Provings " discusses the question of
 analysis of the symptoms in a systemic way of thinking and also
 includes pathogenetic studies (provings) as well as homeopathic
 therapeutic studies in humans or in animals. The last chapter presents
 an "Epistemologic Approach" which become necessary in order to enlarge
 the possibility of interpretation of the law of similarity and the
 high dilution effectiveness considering that these dilutions are above
 the Avogadro number."
 
 See also, "Scientific Evidence for Homeopathic Medicine"
 This article provided by Homeopathic Educational Services
 Dana Ullman, M.P.H. Copyright 1995 
 Excerpted from: The Consumer's Guide to Homeopathy, Dana Ullman,
 Tarcher/Putnam, 1996
 http://www.ihr.com/homeopat/research.html
 
 And much more...  I don't pull stuff out of my butt! Nor have a
 "belief system" from having been brainwashed in the LNT! Nor have
 self-serving interests that demand capitulation to the
 ICRP/IAEA/NCRP/BRER Gestapo (now to include UNSCEAR getting Gonzalez
 as "Scientific Secretary?) and DOE/EPA/NRC and other national rad protectists
 
 
 But this issue seems a waste of time. The real issue is that LDR
 prevents/reduces cancer, that enhanced cellular/molecular responses
 are shown. 
 
 Regards, Jim
 ============
 
 FIELDRW@aol.com wrote:
 > 
 > Jim,
 > 
 > You ask, What is the basis for my conclusion that homeopathy would distance
 > itself from low dose radiation therapy, magnetic therapy, and far infra red
 > technology
 > 
 > I am speaking about modern day homeopathy.  Practices and beliefs of today 
do
 > not necessarily reflect past beliefs. (Remember, there was a time in 
history
 > when most Health Physicist actually embraced the LNTT).
 > 
 > I asked numerous homeopaths including one of the leading academic 
homeopaths
 > in the United States about it and she said, "Any current practitioner of
 > homeopathy I know and respect would distance themselves from low dose
 > radiation therapy, magnetic therapy, and far infra red technology.  That
 > pretty much sums up the basis for my statement above.
 > 
 > She indicated, there are some researchers in Europe who are looking at
 > chemical hormesis and it's effects on the level of the cell and enzyme
 > production and they
 > have written a book trying to use their research as a model for how
 > homeopathy works. She did not think most homeopaths are buying into it. She
 > was not aware of any current research looking at the effects of ultralow
 > quantities of radiation in the homeopathic area.
 > 
 > She pointed out that you support your statement by finding one prominent
 > individual (Arndt) who had hoped to help homeopathy become more legitimate 
by
 > wedding it to a concept  (hormesis ) which was popular at the time. A few
 > researchers may continue to think this way, but she indicated it hasn't
 > become generally accepted amongst homeopaths.
 > 
 > Jim,  if you know of a current homeopath in the United States who supports
 > low dose radiation as a homeopathic practice, I would love to talk with 
them.
 >  Modern day homeopaths prescribe radium bromate for some illnesses, but you
 > would be hard pressed to find any radioactivity in the "remedy".  Their
 > dosage is so low, it is called the essence of radium bromate.
 > 
 > This is an interesting area of dialogue.
 > 
 > Regards, Bill
 > 
 >
 > In a message dated 1/29/00 3:52:40 PM Central Standard Time,
 > jmuckerheide@delphi.com writes:
 > 
 > << Bill,
 >  >>
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