RE: Shipyard workers and references

[Jack_Earley@RL.GOV]

That sounds like the one, but in more of a summary form for a more

operations-oriented audience. Glad to see my memory hasn't totally failed

me. I hear it's the second thing to go--just can't ever remember what the

first thing is.



Jack Earley

Radiological Engineer





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From: Jim Muckerheide [mailto:jmuckerheide@cnts.wpi.edu]

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Subject: RE: Shipyard workers and references





You mean like:

http://cnts.wpi.edu/rsh/Data_Docs/1-3/2/Rev2%201321da53.html 



And when background radiation is suppressed, organisms grow more slowly, are

debilitated, and die prematurely. When re-exposed to background radiation,

or supplemental radiation sources are added to the shielded organisms, they

recover and proliferate!  



The data always show beneficial effects, even essential to biological

functions, at low doses/dose rates.  Except for people that are "allergic"

to objective consideration of data! :-)



Regards, Jim

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Maybe so--I was somewhat concerned about the repercussions from including it

back then (about '76 or '77). But I also seem to recall that the info it

came from included studies that showed that paramecia exposed to radiation

lived longer than those that were unexposed.



Jack Earley

Radiological Engineer





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Subject: RE: Shipyard workers and references





Hi Jack,





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From:	Jack_Earley@RL.GOV



I was conducting rad. training in the Navy in the 70s, and part of the bio.

effects training included an estimate that each rem of radiation would

statistically shorten your lifespan by 1 day.



Jack Earley

Radiological Engineer



<Maybe better to call it "Indoctrination" :-) >



Regards, Jim





-----Original Message-----

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Sent: Tuesday, December 25, 2001 9:05 PM

To: jenday1; RADSAFE

Subject: Re: Shipyard workers and references





 From: "jenday1" <jenday1@EMAIL.MSN.COM>



> Ted,

> Did the results not agree with the LNT, or was it a poorly study?  The

> latter is the criticism I heard.

Only after the fact; documented disinformation (for the gullible?)



>It makes no sense that if radiation caused

> cancer deaths, and the AEC(?) and Navy wanted to set the record straight,

> why would they want to bury the report?



Same reason you do. Defeating LNT means changing rules and giving up a gravy

train of funding!



>Do you think the Navy and DOE want to pay people for radiation-induced

cancers?

Small price to keep the $$100s Millions TAXPAYER  funds flowing.



> That is certainly not the Navy I served in.

Seems unlikely "the Navy" figured you had a "need to know."



>They would want to proclaim to the world that their program

> protected rather than harmed the workers.



See study results that show large increases in mesothelioma from asbestos in

nuke and non-nuke workers!  People involved report that the Navy didn't want

that out (and not up to the Navy Nuke people!)



> Even if did not support the LNT, the fact that radiation-induced cancers

> could be identified would do more damage, both finacially and politically.

> Your arguement for suppression seems backwards.

Right. But they're not trying to destroy their programs. You need a more

comprehensive and objective view; and consider the info that program

participants have provided!



Jim

 

> 

> --John

> 

> John Jacobus, MS

> Certified Health Physicist

> 3050 Traymore Lane

> Bowie, MD 20715-2024

> jenday1@email.msn.com (H)

> 

> 

> Ted Rockwell wrote:

> 

> The reason that the Nuclear Shipyard Study was undertaken was in response

to

> the earlier, partial and poorly run studies you cited.  A great splash was

> made in the Boston papers about cancer among the shipyard workers.  So the

> Atomic Energy Commission and the Navy determined to do it right.  It was

> assigned to the Epidemiology School at Johns Hopkins, Upton was put in

> charge of the Technical Advisory Panel with other top experts in the

field,

> and they met periodically throughout the long period of the study, to make

> it the best possible study of this large and carefully monitored

population.

> And it was.  The only problem was that it did not give the expected (LNT)

> answer.  So they tried to bury it.

> 

> . . .

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