Re: LNT

[hflong@postoffice.pacbell.net]

Les and LNT interested radsafers,

If you are serious about learning why an increasing number of critical scientists want to benefit society with  low dose ionizing radiation to enhance

wound healing, resistance to infections and cancer, etc, then read, 1, "Radiation Hormesis" by TD Luckey PhD, CRC press,2, Biologicand Epidemiologic

Foundations of Radiation Hormesis  by Myron Pollycove PhD MD(tapes from jersnav@mindspring.com) and 3, Is Radiation an essential Trace Energy? by John

Cameron PhD (http://www.aps.org/units/fps/oct01/a5oct01.html).



Howard Long



Les Crable wrote:



> Ruth stated, "It has taken a perfectly reasonable number of decades to

> accumulate epidemiological evidence of a threshold, and evidence (like

> Bernard Cohen's) that contradicts the LNT."

>

> Ruth, I have some major concerns about the LNT also, but what do you offer

> as an alternative?  What is the dose response for the various forms (alpha,

> beta, etc.)of radiation? Is there a threshold?  If so, does it apply to all

> types of radiation? Is a possible threshold affected by dose rate?  I do not

> see a good alternative right now.  If you are hanging your hat on Dr.

> COhen's ecologic studies to support dumping the LNT, it is obvious you are

> in a weak stance to defend your view.  No wonder the "establishment" laughs

> when we use examples like Cohen's studies or Muckerheide's obscure journal

> articles to support the position that the LNT should be abandoned.  I don't

> even believe in the validity of the LNT in most cases, but I tend to cling

> to it more when I see the "science" that is being held up to defeat it.

>

> Les Crable

>

> >From: RuthWeiner@AOL.COM

> >Reply-To: RuthWeiner@AOL.COM

> >To: liptonw@DTEENERGY.COM

> >CC: radsafe@list.vanderbilt.edu

> >Subject: Re: LNT

> >Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2002 09:35:46 EST

> >

> >In a message dated 1/14/02 5:32:06 AM Mountain Standard Time,

> >liptonw@dteenergy.com writes:

> >

> >

> > > I fail to understand how whomever "wins" this debate will affect

> >anything

> > > other than the egos of those involved.

> >

> >Au contraire,as a colleague of mine used to say!  If LNT is ditched, the

> >standards can be redone to be reasonable and a great deal of mooney can be

> >put to better use.  I don't think it's an "ego" thing at all.

> >

> >  At the risk of repeating myself too often (However, if no one's

> >listening,

> >am I really

> > > repeating myself - let's debate that!), we have no one but ourselves to

> > > blame for any overly restrictive standards.  When generous research

> >funding

> > > was available, it was expedient to promote LNT as a means of procuring

> >more

> > > than our fair share.  Well, strange bedfellows always look a lot worse

> >the

> > > morning after!  It's too late to change this, however.

> > >

> >This is almost un believably small-minded.  The LNT was initially presented

> >as a reasonably conservatiuve "working hypothesis."  It was as necessary to

> >research the health effects of ionizing radiation as the health effects of

> >exposure to tuberculosis or yellow fever.  It has taken a perfectly

> >reasonable number of decades to accumulate epidemiological evidence of a

> >threshold, and evidence (like Bernard Cohen's) that contradicts the LNT.

> >

> >Ruth Weiner, Ph. D.

> >ruthweiner@aol.com

>

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