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Linearity of covariates and radon exposure - response to Mr. Sonter
Dr. Howard, thanks for responding perhaps more clearly then I could regarding
Mr. Sonter's comment.
Mark,
I placed a copy of Dr. Lubin's paper in the mail. Please email me directly if
anyone else would be interested in a copy of the paper. Also, if anyone has
comments, please email directly so we can take the discussion off list.
I have also attached a copy of the Darby and Doll letter (from Journal of
Radiologic Protection) below, perhaps they can present the points I attempted
to make a bit clearer and from a different perspective.
Regards, Bill Field
epirad@mchsi.com
"Explaining the lung cancer versus radon exposure data for USA counties"
Dear Sir
Professor Cohen states in his letter that his analysis ‘encompasses all of the
Doll suggestions’. It is, however, logically impossible for it to have done so
using data at the level of counties. This is because the effect of cigarette
smoking on the relationship between residential radon and individual lung
cancer risk will be determined by the relationship between smoking status and
lung cancer among the individuals within each county. Unless smoking is
irrelevant to lung cancer risk (which we know to be untrue) or smoking status
and residential radon are uncorrelated within each county (which seems
unlikely), the relationship between residential radon and lung cancer at the
county level will differ from that at the level of the individual in a way
that cannot be overcome by including corrections for smoking habits at the
county level, even if these corrections correctly represent the smoking habits
of the individuals within each county. The difference in the relationship
between a risk factor and a disease rate at the level of the individual and at
an area level is the ecologic fallacy and is described in detail by Greenland
and Robins (1994) and Morgenstern (1998). Lubin (1998) has also demonstrated
that biases caused by the ecologic fallacy can be of any magnitude from minus
infinity to plus infinity. In two recent studies (Lagarde and Pershagen 1999,
Darby et al 2000), parallel individual and ecological analyses have been
carried out of identical data from case-control studies of residential radon
(Peshagen et al 1994, Darby et al 1998). These analyses have shown that, in
addition to any bias caused by the ecological fallacy, ecological studies of
residential radon and lung cancer are also prone to biases caused by
determinants of lung cancer risk that vary at the level of the ecological unit
concerned. In these two examples, the additional variables were latitude and
urban/rural status respectively. The explanation of these variables is not yet
well understood and they may well be, in part, surrogate measures for some
aspects of the subjects’ smoking history not accounted for by the measures of
smoking status that have been derived from the individual questionnaire data
and used in the analysis of the data for individuals. They had only a minor
effect on analysis at this level but a substantial effect on the ecological
analyses. The presence of these variables is further evidence of the pitfalls
of ecological studies.
Yours faithfully,
Sarah Darby and Sir Richard Doll
Clinical Trial Service Unit, University of Oxford, Nuffield Department of
Clinical Medicine,
Harkness Building, Radcliffe Infirmary, Oxford OX2 6HE, UK
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>
> On Mon, 23 Jun 2003 10:42:05 +1000 Sonter Mark
> (sonterm@epa.nsw.gov.au) wrote:
>
> Yuo say that "radiologically induced lung cancer is not linearly
> related to dose in person-rems" --- BUT THAT IS PRECISELY WHAT THE LNT
> HYPOTHESIS DECLARES, without qualification.
>
> If it's not so, fine, but then the LNT is not true!!!!
>
> Mark Sonter
>
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