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Re: Response to WashPost ltr



Tx for the info on cesium chloride.



I am interested in cesium that might be used in a dirty bomb (and obtained 

from spent fuel?) rather than cesium released from a reactor accident



Best                  Fred



At 06:13 PM 9/22/2003 -0400, Charles Pennington wrote:



>Thanks for this bit of insight!!

>

>I am also curious about non-CsCl sources.  If you had more of a spent fuel 

>source with Cs as a volatile at some partial pressure, it would tend to 

>form other compounds at the elevated temperatures before and during 

>dispersion and cooling.  Can you say what those compounds might be and 

>what their chemical properties are??  I know they are not the same as what 

>might occur for a reactor accident.  Also, the temperature must control 

>the adsorption coefficient of Cs, as well as its reaction rate, on most 

>surfaces. Granted, an explosion or other exothermic event raises the 

>temperature, and "bonding" in the vicinity of the event is almost 

>unavoidable.  But for points removed from the event or downwind, cooling 

>is rapid and I would think adsorption and reaction rates would be much 

>slower, allowing time for effective removal.

>

>Thanks again!

>

>

>

>

>

>"Joseph L. Alvarez" <jalvarez@auxier.com>

>Sent by: owner-rad-sci-l@WPI.EDU

>

>09/22/2003 04:02 PM

>Please respond to jalvarez

>

>         To:        "S. Fred Singer" <singer@sepp.org>, Ted Rockwell 

> <tedrock@starpower.net>, RADSAFE <owner-radsafe@list.vanderbilt.edu>, 

> Rad-Sci-L <rad-sci-l@WPI.EDU>

>         cc:        (bcc: Charles Pennington/NAC_Intl)

>         Subject:        Re: Response to WashPost ltr

>

>

>Cesium in the radiology sources is usually as the chloride. It acts very

>much like table salt. If it does not rain, you can readily vacuum it off

>most surfaces (it will be mixed with the organics from the explosive). If

>it does rain, add more water and keep it moving. Nevertheless, Levi is

>right to some degree. If you leave the CsCl for a long time the cesium and

>the chlorine slowly react with just about everything. Some very interesting

>complexes form on most surfaces, some of which are very recalcitrant. What

>can't be easily removed after several days (if you wait that long) will be

>minor and produce a low, but not squeaky clean dose rate.

>Joe

>

>On Mon, 22 Sep 2003 15:38:30 -0400, S. Fred Singer <singer@sepp.org> wrote:

>

> > Levi  may be wrong also in assuming that Cesium be released in its atomic

> > form and therefore able to "attack"' .

> >

> > This is no my specialty, but I would assume that it will be in some less

> > active molecular form .

> >

> > Does anyone have the answer?

> >

> > Fred  Singer

> >

> > PS  My ltr to WP is appended

> >

> > *********

> >

> >

> > As Theodore Rockwell observes ("Radiation Chicken Little," Sept 16),

> > ensuring

> > public safety in the face of terrorism requires a realistic assessment of

> > potential threats. Exaggerated scenarios create public panic and advance

> > the

> > aims of the terrorists.

> >

> > The so-called "dirty bomb" is a prime example.  It is a device that

> > disperses

> > some radioactive material over a certain area. It is not a nuclear

> > fission bomb

> > or hydrogen bomb that causes a lethal blast (like any bomb) but also

> > creates

> > its own radioactivity.  To construct a dirty bomb, one has to first

> > assemble

> > the radioactive material -- and

> > that creates virtually insurmountable problems.  Assume the bomb's size

> > is

> > about

> > a square foot but that it should contaminate a square mile.  Simple

> > arithmetic

> > shows that the required concentration factor is about 25 million.  This

> > concentrated

> > radioactivity would melt most any container and would certainly kill the

> > terrorists who try to assemble the device.

> >

> > S. Fred Singer

> > Arlington

> >

> > 703-920-2744   singer@sepp.org

> > *************************

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > ****************

> >

> > At 12:13 PM 9/22/2003 -0400, Ted Rockwell wrote:

> >> Friends:

> >>

> >> I just sent the following words to the Letters Ed, WashPost.  It's

> >> awfully

> >> brief, but I think that gives it the maximum chance (still small) of

> >> getting

> >> published. Of course, a letter from a third party, such as a State

> >> Nuclear

> >> Engineer or other august official, would probably carry more weight.  :-)

> >>

> >> Ted Rockwell

> >> ____________________________________________

> >>

> >> Michael Levi agrees (Letters, Sept.20) with the main point of my column

> >> ("Radiation Chicken Little," Sept 16).  He says, "Radiation is not as

> >> dangerous as most people imagine."  But he makes two serious factual

> >> errors.

> >>

> >> He says residual contamination "would introduce major safety, logistics

> >> and

> >> cost challenges" and "one in 10 residents...would die of cancer as a

> >> result."  This is simply untrue.  He gets this number by multiplying a

> >> very

> >> small individual risk by a very large number of people presumed to be

> >> exposed.  This process of "predicting" deaths has been judged

> >> scientifically

> >> invalid by every responsible radiation authority.  If no individual

> >> receives

> >> a harmful dose, then no one is harmed.

> >>

> >> Levi says radioactivity "chemically attaches to glass, concrete and

> >> asphalt"

> >> and would not be removed by high-pressure water hoses.  But then it

> >> would

> >> not be a health hazard--unless one eats the concrete!

> >>

> >> Levi talks about radiation levels "ten times the natural radiation

> >> background."  But there are many places in the world where people live

> >> healthily in even higher radiation background--up to 100 times average.

> >>

> >> Radioactivity is like any other contaminant--it is not mysterious,

> >> unknown

> >> or unnatural.  We should clean it up to whatever level warrants the

> >> cost.

> >> But our judgment should be based on well-established health risk data,

> >> not

> >> on idoelogically based "zero-tolerance" regulations.

> >

> > S. Fred Singer, Ph.D.

> > President, The Science & Environmental Policy Project (SEPP)

> > 1600 S. Eads St.,   Suite 712-S

> > Arlington, VA 22202-2907

> > e-mail:   singer@sepp.org       Web:  www.sepp.org

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> > to acknowledge authority, as such. For him, scepticism

> > is the highest of duties; blind faith the one unpardonable sin."

> > > Thomas H. Huxley

> > **********

> > "If the facts change, I'll change my opinion. What do you do, sir? "

> > >J. M. Keynes

> > ***********

> >

> >

> >

>

>

>

>--

>J. L. Alvarez, PhD.,CHP

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>9821 Cogdill Rd., Suite 1

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>

>Phone: 865-675-3669

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>email: jalvarez@auxier.com

>

>



S. Fred Singer, Ph.D.

President, The Science & Environmental Policy Project (SEPP)

1600 S. Eads St.,   Suite 712-S

Arlington, VA 22202-2907

e-mail:   singer@sepp.org       Web:  www.sepp.org

Tel:  703-920-2744

E-fax  815-461-7448; notify by e-mail before sending

******************************************

"The improver of natural knowledge absolutely refuses

to acknowledge authority, as such. For him, scepticism

is the highest of duties; blind faith the one unpardonable sin."

 > Thomas H. Huxley

  **********

"If the facts change, I'll change my opinion. What do you do, sir? "

 >J. M. Keynes

***********