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RE: Nuclear Power Des NOT Need Gobal Warming Hoax!



Hi, Fritz,

Thanks for the comments.  

Like you, I am not a climitologists.  Consequently,

who should I believe?  

My impression is that there has been a great deal of

problems with climate data collection, analysis and

model.  There have been a number of reports

commissioned on the subject.

http://lab.nap.edu/nap-cgi/discover.cgi?act=dourl&restric=NAP&url=.nap.edu/openbook/0309068916/html/index.html

 Can they all be wrong?  Could the data be getting

better, and the models more accuarte?



I still question the determination of scientific

issues by signing petitions.  What if 34,000 science

sign a petition that global warming exists?  Who would

you believe?



--- "Fritz A. Seiler" <faseiler@NMIA.COM> wrote:

> Hi John,

> 

> 	I am one of these 17,000 signatories of the OISM

> petition.  I

> am not a climatologist, I am just a scientist.

> Actually, I grew up

> as a nuclear physicist who has now been dabbling in

> risk assessment

> for 25 years.  However, what I think that I have in

> common with the

> other signatories of the petition is a certain

> amount of skepticism

> for the loud and brash claims of climatologists

> whose huge computer

> models do not fit what we already know by experience

> and that is how

> El Nino and La Nina affect the winter weather in the

> U.S.

> 	Some months ago, Jim Dukelow pointed out to me that

> the Global

> Circulation Models now actually show currents such

> as the Southern

> Oscillation that is associated with El Nino or La

> Nina.  I read that

> also elsewhere and find it encouraging. But I am

> still waiting for

> the loud shout of "Eureka!" that would have

> announced that they now

> can correlate the winter weather in the U.S. with

> the events in the

> Southern Hemisphere.  Right now, I am still willing

> to listen but I

> am not holding my breath!

> 	At this time, I am still skeptical about scientists

> who make

> claims about effects such as man-made Global Warming

> which are minor

> compared to other well established weather effects. 

> Their models do

> not cause the weather effects of El Nino and La Nina

> in the U.S. but

> they claim to "see" man's influence emerging from

> their models!  Now

> let's get real here! And maybe let's also remember

> that the study of

> "Man-made Global Warming" is a SEVERAL BILLION

> DOLLAR A YEAR industry

> in the U.S. alone.  This 8,000 pound Gorilla will

> react viciously and

> run completely out of control if anybody such as

> Bjorn Lomborg dares

> to question their conclusions.  I read Lomborg's

> book and then I also

> read the Gorilla's reaction in Scientific American. 

> You don't have to

> be a climatologist to understand what is going on:

> This is the Gorilla

> at the Federal Feeding Trough reacting violently

> when disturbed!

> 	As I said, I am just a scientist not a

> climatologist, but together

> with my 17,000 colleagues, I recognize shades of

> pathological science in

> the sense of Nobel prize winning physical chemist

> Irving Langmuir when I

> encounter it.

> 

> 

> Best regards,

> 

> Fritz

> 

>

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> 

> -----Original Message-----

> From: owner-radsafe@list.Vanderbilt.Edu

> [mailto:owner-radsafe@list.Vanderbilt.Edu]On Behalf

> Of John Fleck

> Sent: Thursday, May 27, 2004 12:39 PM

> To: radsafe@list.Vanderbilt.Edu

> Subject: Re: Nuclear Power Des NOT Need Gobal

> Warming Hoax!

> 

> I think one should be cautious before citing the

> OISM petition.

> 

> It was based on what might charitably be called an

> act of academic sleight

> of hand: a "review paper" set in the typographic

> style of the PNAS in a

> transparent attempt to led credibility to it, sent

> to an apparently enormous

> number of scientists - in all fields, not only

> climate - along with a

> petition for them to sign. The "review paper" might

> best be described as a

> brief for the plaintiffs, not a genuine review of

> the evidence. How many

> scientists was it sent to? That would seem a

> relevant fact that would allow

> one to better judge how many scientists declined to

> sign it. Alas, Arthur

> Robinson, its author, won't say. "We're not willing

> to have our opponents

> attack us with that number, and say that the rest of

> the recipients are

> against us," he told a reporter for Nature in 1998.

> 

> 

> 

>

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