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Re: Does CT lung cancer screening LOWER lung cancer risk?



Howard,

I would say that since the differences between actual

and expected cancers is so small, neither a

detrimental or beneficial effect can be demonstrated.



I would say stop smoking would provide a greater

benefit than any supposed CT radiation dosage.  As a

physician, wouldn't you agree?



--- Howard Long <hflong@pacbell.net> wrote:

> "4,687 non-leukemic cancer deaths occurred in 50,115

> [exposed] survivors

> where we estimated 4,306 would have occurred, had

> they not been exposed [to

> 1 to 10 cSv or rads]." (ref below). Indeed, that

> would suggest a slight

> INCREASE in cancer deaths from CT, (c 1 rad).

> 

> However, the small difference (8%) might be

> explained by many variables.

> 

> Mostly I doubt the conclusion because it is

> inconsistent with other data:

> The Breast Cancer Incidence Among Atomic Bomb

> Survivors (Land CE, McGrgor

> DH, JNatl Cancer Inst 1979 Jan;62(1):17-21 table 2

> shows "average tissue

> dose, rads Observed 109 vs Expected 127.8 p,0.0001",

> but broken down,

> rads 1-9, Observed 34 breast cancers, Expected 42.3

> breast cancers!

> 

> Thus for that dosage, there is evidence that 1-9 rad

> acute exposure may

> LOWER breast cancer risk. I abandoned design for a

> study using mammography

> and CT

> because the 1 rad acute from the CT would lower the

> power to detect

> significant differences, since it would have much

> the same benefit as the

> exposure (no good placebo). This is much the same

> problem as drug companies

> are having with placebo in anti depressants (Wall St

> Journal, 6/18/04).

> 

> I think CT may LOWER lung cancer risk.

> 

> Howard Long

> 

> ----- Original Message ----- 

> From: "John Jacobus" <crispy_bird@YAHOO.COM>

> To: "Keith Welch" <welch@jlab.org>;

> <radsafe@list.vanderbilt.edu>

> Sent: Friday, June 18, 2004 1:43 PM

> Subject: Re: Article: Lung cancer screening raises

> lung cancer risk

> 

> 

> > The Radiation Effects Research Foundation show 63

> > deaths (2% of 3391 cancer deaths) between 5 mSv

> and

> > 200 mSv

> >

> http://www.rerf.or.jp/eigo/radefx/late/cancrisk.htm

> >

> > Of course I have not read any of the reports which

> > might have more current information.  However, it

> > appears to be a bit of data mining

> (word-smithing?) to

> > enhance the risk value.

> >

> > Keith, the HPS position paper I think you are

> > referring to is at

> > http://hps.org/documents/radiationrisk.pdf

> >

> > --- Keith Welch <welch@jlab.org> wrote:

> > > Is this really right?  Are the bomb survivor

> > > statistics correct?  How does the cancer risk in

> the

> > > atomic bomb cohort reconcile with the HPS

> position

> > > paper on "radiation risk in perspective" which

> > > states that quantitative risk estimates should

> not

> > > be used below 10 rem?  (coincidentally, it seems

> > > that position paper is no longer on the HPS

> website.

> > >  Is it under revision?)

> > >

> > > "For example, 10 low-dose CT lung screening

> > > examinations would produce lung doses in the

> range

> > > of

> > > 25 to 90 mGy," he wrote. "Among approximately

> 30,000

> > > individuals in the cancer incidence cohort of

> atomic

> > > bomb survivors who received doses between 5 and

> 100

> > > mSv (mean dose, 29 mSv), there was a

> statistically

> > > significant increase in cancer risk (77 excess

> > > cancers, p = 0.05) compared to that in the

> control

> > > population."

> > >

> > >

> > > Keith Welch

> > >

> > >

> >

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