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RE: Dirty Bomb - CNN Accuracy?



As a health physicist, interested in emergency response, I would like like to chime in and support John's comments with a few notes of my own. John, and the others who have indicated support for the public going home, changing clothes, and showering are addressing the right answer for significant dispersal events. A fairly simple dispersal device can contaminate several square miles of area easily resulting in contamination to thousands or even tens of thousands of individuals. I know of no community that has the resources required to respond to this to conduct monitoring and decon operations for every one.
 
In the past I have heard discussions about "corraling" all the contaminated personnel in a stadium or other large facility until such assistance is available. The results would be dramatically increased exposures for the personnel and presumably very long wait times waiting for the military or other federal resources to arrive on scene. The flip side is yes individuals cars will be contaminated as will their homes and other objects they come in contact with. However, here (emergencies) is where we must make a distinction between "nusiance" contamination and the real issues of public health and safety. The last thing we want is for the response organizations being tied up with minor contamination concerns when lives may be at risk in other areas. The answer, like so many, is dependent on the specific scenario and yes there should be some effort as a follow up to assess potential exposures.
 
And on that point I would like to put forward a scenario where real life and death issues may be faced in a dispersal event. While I do agree the most probable dispersal event will likely result in minimal health impacts outside of those actually caused by the "explosion" there is a significant possibilty that the rad concerns will create real life and death issues for the responders. For a simple illustration just add a few thousand curies of Cs-137 to the Oklahoma City Incident. In such a case you must be concerned with conducting search and rescue operations in a contaminated environment. The use of personal protective equipment by responders will slow productivity to the point that operations that might otherwise take a day may take a week. Of course this is not conducive to the survival of anyone trapped and injured in the building. The other issue is the rad exposure being recieved by the victims. In such an event the local exposure rates could be expected to be in the multi R/hr range if not the tens or even hundreds of R/hr range. Such exposure rates represent real dangers to the trapped victims and potentially represent a health risk to the responders as well. Personally I do not think this scenario as far fetched as some would like to believe.
 
I would hate to have such a scenario hit this country out of the blue as the resulting confusion could easily be translated into lives lost due to lack of preparedness.
 
Take care all and be safe.
 
 
Milton Chilton
CHP, RRPT
Las Vegas, NV
 
 
My words represent my personal opinion only and do not necessarily represent those of any organization that I may be afiliated with.
 
 
 
-----Original Message-----
From: AndrewsJP@AOL.COM [mailto:AndrewsJP@AOL.COM]
Sent: Tuesday, June 11, 2002 10:43 AM
To: epirad@mchsi.com
Cc: radsafe@list.vanderbilt.edu
Subject: Re: Dirty Bomb - CNN Accuracy?

In a message dated 6/11/02 8:27:41 AM Pacific Daylight Time, epirad@mchsi.com writes:


John,

Do you really think someone contaminated with
radioactive materials should go home and contaminate
car, family and home or should they go to the nearest
hospital that has plans in place for decontamination
prior to possible treatment?



Bill, here is what I think!  Any explosion of radioactive material will disperse it widely and, thus, produce relatively low level contamination over a wide area.  Those nearby to the explosion will be the most affected and will get the appropriate care you suggest.  Others will get very little (relative) contamination and should clean themselves up rather soon to prevent ingestion and irradiation of the skin.  Taking a bath and washing clothing is an appropriate method for this when there are many people with minor contamination.  

If the material is metal such as Co-60, there is even smaller chance of wide dispersal because the material is metal and hard to pulverize in a form that can be widely dispersed.

If the material is radiography sources, then the same analysis applies.

If the material is Cs-137 and then only if the source is disassembled first, then the contamination will be significant and cleanup of the contaminated population is necessary.  It cannot be done in hospitals.  It, therefore, must be done by dillution and dipersion, so go home, change clothes and take a shower.  If the source is intact it will probably survive the explosion intact.  It will then be just a radiation source.

I cannot forsee that a terrorist can get enough material together to cause a real emergency where immediate hospital action is necessary to prevent short term illness or death from the radioactivity.



John Andrews
Knoxville, Tennessee