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Lochbaum on OSRE's
Hi all,
I had asked for Dave Lochbaums's comments on a posting on radsafe where it
was said that the OSRE mock attckers get to do "do-overs".
Here's his response:
Dave Lochbaum wrote:
> Hello Norm:
>
> Yes, but it's not one-sided as the posting implies.
>
> The OSREs pit one or more mock attackers against the plant's
> armed responders. Because the OSRE is a simulated attack, no
> real weapons are used. Consequently, OSRE controllers are used
> to determine outcomes throughout the OSRE. For example, the
> mock attacker(s) do not really blow up locked doors, so the
> controllers determine based on the amount of simulated explosives
> carried if the door is breached. Likewise, when an attacker encounters
> an armed responder, the controller determines who shot whom.
>
> Like in the NFL, there are times that attackers and the defenders
> challenges the controllers calls. There's no instant replay booth,
> but sometimes the controllers do reverse a call. At those times,
> there may be a "do over" to replay the exercise.
>
> In addition, there are times when the attacker(s) encounter an armed
> guard who is out of position. If the controllers conclude that the armed
> guard would normally not be at that position, they sometimes replay the
> exercise to see if other guards are likely to encounter and stop the
> attack.
>
> It is beyond question that the OSREs have limitations. Some of the
> limitations favor the defenders. For example, the OSREs are scheduled
> manyu months in advance providing plenty of time to get equipment and
> guards fully prepared for the attack. The OSREs are almost always
> run on evening or midnight shift with the plant at power so the guards
> can pretty much shoot at anything that moves and be confident of
> hitting a bad guy instead of an innocent worker. Some plants even
> have the attacker(s) wear red hard hat(s) which no other workers wear,
> the equivalent of having a cow-bell around their necks.
>
> Some of the limitations favor the attackers. For example, the attackers
> sit down and review a scale model of the plant, the guards's positions,
> and the location of key equipment prior to launching their attacks. The
> attackers are therefore not attacking randomly, but focus their assaults
> on vulnerable areas.
>
> Haivng attended numerous security meetings in the last three years, I
> find it interesting that I've never heard a single attacker complain that
> the defenders tried too hard or had too much help. But I've heard plenty
> of whining from the defenders that the attackers tried too hard and had
> too much help. All those tears are unlikely to slow down real attackers.
>
> Thanks,
> Dave
>
> >>> Norman Cohen <ncohen12@comcast.net> 06/16/02 12:14AM >>>
> Dave - per this ratsafe posting, do OSRE attackers get to do
> "do-overs'???
>
> norm
>
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