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Re: Potassium cell study
on 7/10/02 11:45 AM, Jacobus, John (OD/ORS) at jacobusj@ors.od.nih.gov
wrote:
> Philippe,
> Thanks for the information, but I am really interested in the potassium cell
> study legend. It is so often quoted, but lacks substance.
You call successful suppression of evidence "lacking substance." Like
"murder is ok as long as you kill all the witnesses" - and if there is a
witness, just ignore him - like NCRP?
> -- John
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Philippe Duport [mailto:pduport@uottawa.ca]
> Sent: Wednesday, July 10, 2002 11:32 AM
> To: Jacobus, John (OD/ORS); 'Muckerheide'; radsafe@list.vanderbilt.edu
> Subject: RE: Potassium cell study
>
>
> John,
>
> John,
>
> Not on K-deprivation experiments, but still on the effects of
> deprivation of radiation:
>
> Do a search on "Planel H" on MEDLINE. This will bring you 84 references
> on the effects of lack of radiation on simple organisms (cells and
> parameciaes) and mice. Most demonstrate a detriment in organisms
> exposed at levels below background and optimum benefits at 4 - 10 times
> background dose rates, that is, close to annual limits for radiation
> workers.
>
> Recent work (Courtade-Saidi M., PhD thesis : Les effets d'une
> irradiation gamma chronique à très faible dose sur la souris - Effects
> of very low dose chronic gamma irradiation in mice - , Univ. of
> Toulouse, France, 2001) shows a reduced risk of cancer and
> cardiovascular diseases in exposed mice, at 11.5 cGy/y (35 times
> background vs 0.35 cG/y for controls).
>
> I can e-mail you the "Planel" list I got from MEDLINE if you want to
> know.
>
> Philippe Duport
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-radsafe@list.vanderbilt.edu
> [mailto:owner-radsafe@list.vanderbilt.edu] On Behalf Of Jacobus, John
> (OD/ORS)
> Sent: July 10, 2002 8:50 AM
> To: 'Muckerheide'; radsafe@list.vanderbilt.edu
> Subject: RE: Potassium cell study
>
> Ah, yes. The grand conspiracy. I knew Charlie, and had a lot of
> respect
> for him. However, this is still hearsay evidence. What I am asking is,
> is
> there any documentation of such an experiment? This is the same as
> saying
> there is a carburetor that allows a car to get 75 miles to a gallon of
> gas
> (4 liters to our international readers) Says who? There is a story that
> years ago the Navy located all the members of the original Nautilus
> crew,
> because another story was going around that they had all died from
> radiation. (Story of a story?) It seems to me that the government
> would
> have published this report since in the 1950's and 1960's was
> encouraging
> the use of nuclear power.
>
> Again, where is the proof of the potassium cell study?
>
> By the way, I could not find the subcommittee report at the NRC Web
> Site. I
> tried using the ADAMS, but that leaves much to be desired. Could you
> provide me the link so I can read it myself.
>
> -- John
> John Jacobus, MS
> Certified Health Physicist
> 3050 Traymore Lane
> Bowie, MD 20715-2024
>
> E-mail: jenday1@email.msn.com (H)
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Muckerheide [mailto:muckerheide@attbi.com]
> Sent: Tuesday, July 09, 2002 9:19 PM
> To: Jacobus, John (OD/ORS); radsafe@list.vanderbilt.edu
> Subject: Re: Potassium cell study
>
>
> In the part you cut out of the quote, personal knowledge of Charlie
> Willis,
> CHP, NRC senior staff; go to NRC web site, transcript, March 1996, Joint
> Subcommittee of ACRS/ACNW. You also cut out the part about "...because
> of
> the LNT, this data was not published."
>
> Jim
>
>
> on 7/9/02 4:06 PM, Jacobus, John (OD/ORS) at jacobusj@ors.od.nih.gov
> wrote:
>
>> I have this story several times from people whom I trust. However, is
> their
>> any real "credible" information on this, or is an urban legend? If
> you
>> think this is part of the government conspiracy, please do not bother
>> replying.
>>
>> -- John
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Muckerheide [mailto:muckerheide@attbi.com]
>> Sent: Sunday, July 07, 2002 11:48 PM
>> To: Norman Cohen; radsafe@list.vanderbilt.edu
>> Subject: Re: 3 items of interest
>> . . . "at the lab [Oak Ridge] in 1958 cells were studied with
>> potassium from which the radioactive radionuclide had been removed [in
> the
>> calutrons, machines used to centrifuge elements for isotopic
> separation]
> the
>> cells looked ok but didn't function, . . ."
>>
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