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"- To Their Faces" at Doctors for Disaster Preparedness
Nuclear scientists and HPs.
Keeping this largely on topic (radiation safety), I am pleased James Dukelow
writes, " I would be quite willing to characterize -- to their faces -- Sallie
Baliunas, Willie Soon, Arthur Robinson, Andrew Schlafly, Jay Lehr, Howard
Hayden, Henry Cooper, and Lowell Wood as "conservative propagandists"". Some of
these scientists are sure to be at DDP again next July in Phoenix. James
Dukelow, like all attending, can question speakers, both publicly and privately.
Truth should be continually challenged because knowledge and circumstances
change..
I hope many of you will want to observe or participate in the lively exchanges.
To get on the list for a program, just call (520) 325-2680 or look up the DDP
program at www.oism.org.
Howard Long
PS If you are not charged to look for something (benefit of low dose radiation,
more time for escape in other fires where steel was clad in asbestos), it is
harder to find.
PPS Thank you Jim for saying, "Dr. Long's problem seems to be overwhelming
credulity and lack of skepticism". I now carry this to show those who think I
question authority too much with, "Too much ALARA may causes radiation
deficiency disease" and "Estrogen-progesterone may prevent heart disease in
never-smokers". HL
"Dukelow, James S Jr" wrote:
> Dr. Howard Long writes (and I comment below):
> -----Original Message-----
> From: hflong@postoffice.pacbell.net
> To: Jerry Cuttler
> Cc: Dukelow, James S Jr; 'cdn-nucl-l (E-mail) '; 'Ans-pie ';
> rad-sci-l@ans.ep.wisc.edu; radsafe@list.vanderbilt.edu;
> jorient@mindspring.com
> Sent: 8/30/2002 5:45 AM
> Subject: [cdn-nucl-l] Credibility of Doctors for Disaster Preparedness
>
> Nuclear Safety Scientists and HPs, (sorry for the expansive steam),
>
> I challenge this Dukelow slander of Doctors for Disaster Preparedness
> and AAPS because I hope some of you will join us.
>
> A cause of WTC collapse was asbestos fearmongering, detailed by Andy
> Schafly to DDP July 27. Dukelow describes DDP as "a gathering of
> conservative propagandists of various stripes". Oh? Were our speakers?
> They were not only, 1, Jerry Cuttler, designer of safety systems for
> CANDU 6, but also, 2, Henry Lamb, EVP of the Environmental Conservation
> Org., 3&4, Sallie Baliunas and Willie Soon of Harvard-Smithsonian
> Astrophysical Observ., 5, Herbert Inhaber, formerly of Canada's Atomic
> Energy Control Board, 6, Jay Lehr, editor of McGraw Hill env.science
> handbook, 7 Jay Kerrigan, mathematician, 8, Ed Zebronsky, editor of
> Advanced Nuclear Reactors, etc.. Lowell Wood of LLNL updated his year
> 2,000 presentation with Edward Teller.
> Will you call any of these scientists, "propagandists", to their faces,
> James Dukelow?
> Come to our next meeting!
>
> I am proud to serve as one of 8 DDP directors. We include 3 radiologists
> and Executive Director Jane Orient MD, former physics prof and Exec Dir
> of the Association of American Physicians and Surgeons. Dukelow writes,
> "blathering of a lawyer [Schafly] for a conservative association of
> doctors (not the AMA - too liberal for the AAPS)."
> Our AAPS is currently sueing the government (with the ACLU) to preserve
> patient privacy. Does "liberal" now mean, "Clinton-Mussolini Plan
> collaboration", like AMA? AAPS puts patients first, as AMA once did.
> AAPS promotes "Patient Power".from Dallas NCPA and the libertarian CATO
> Inst.
>
> I, too, trust few lawyers to be honest. Schafly has been unfailingly
> accurate in scientific matters where I had independent knowledge. I give
> MORE weight to Schafly's review than the opinion of "qualified engineers
> and architects" on the payroll of parties at interest.
>
> Howard Long MD MPH, (10 year attendee at yearly meetings of AAPS and
> DDP)
>
> =====================
>
> Dr. Long doth protest too much methinks (pace Shakespeare).
>
> I didn't mention the Doctors for Disaster Preparedness and characterized
> AAPS only as "a conservative association of doctors (not the AMA -- too
> liberal for the AAPS) speaking at a gathering of conservative propagandists
> of various stripes". That's the sum total of what I had to say about DDP
> and AAPS. I'll say a bit more. DDP damages its own credibility by hosting
> such one-sided meetings. I would be quite willing to characterize -- to
> their faces -- Sallie Baliunas, Willie Soon, Arthur Robinson, Andrew
> Schlafly, Jay Lehr, Howard Hayden, Henry Cooper, and Lowell Wood as
> "conservative propagandists", especially Cooper and Wood, whose advocacy of
> SDI/StarWars has contributed to the waste of billions of defense dollars on
> an infeasible solution to the wrong problem. The attack on the WTC and the
> Pentagon demonstrated exactly how well SDI can defend us against attack.
>
> Steve Milloy, a biologist/biostatistician/lawyer, Andrew Schlafly, a lawyer
> whose other background I have been unable to ascertain, and Dr. Long, a
> medical doctor and MPH are all certain that "A cause of WTC collapse was
> asbestos fearmongering". Dr. Long "give[s]MORE weight to Schafly's review
> than the opinion of "qualified engineers and architects" on the payroll of
> parties at interest". Perhaps there's a bit of slander [sic] there directed
> toward the dozens of engineers and architects that responded to the request
> to serve on the official inquiry into the events following the attack. I
> find the official inquiry balanced, with careful description of what is
> known and what is not known, what might be known with further study [I note
> that the Bush Adminstration has just authorized that further study], and
> what can never be known. On the other side are Milloy and Schlafly, who are
> pursuing ideological agenda and who have written virtually nothing correct
> about the collapse of the WTC towers. Dr. Long's problem seems to be
> overwhelming credulity and lack of scepticism.
>
> Bottom line -- my judgment, no proof implied or feasible. Asbestos spray-on
> insulation would have failed to protect the WTC towers in exactly the same
> fashion and to the same degree that the non-asbestos spray-on insulation did
> [read the official inquiry report]. For an event like 9/11 there are much
> better, but more expensive, insulation alternatives. A handful of people in
> WTC 2 escaped past the impact zone in the early minutes after the impact.
> Nobody in WTC 1 did. The aircraft impacts complete disrupted the emergency
> escape routes. With the exception of that handful, nobody on the floors
> above the impacts survived. The impacts rendered ineffective all of the
> fire protection systems, including the structural steel insulation. There
> are some interesting issues with respect to roof rescue, which was not
> possible in the event because of long-standing jurisdictional disputes
> between NYPC and NYFD. The way to keep high rises safe is to keep jet
> liners out of the middle of them. Happily, that is the approach the
> Adminstration has taken; let's pray it is successful.
>
> Best regards.
>
> Jim Dukelow
> Pacific Northwest National Laboratory
> Richland, WA
> jim.dukelow@pnl.gov
>
> These comments are mine and have not been reviewed and/or approved by my
> management or by the U.S. Department of Energy.
>
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