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Re: Love Canal reference from Weiner - Dapra is outdated



Out of curiousity, what are credientals to be a "local

researcher?"  I would like to get into that business.



By the way are there any areas in New York that have

lower than the national average of cancers?  May be

you should have everyone more there.



--- NiagaraNet@AOL.COM wrote:

>     Dear RADSAFERS:

> 

>     The Science article about Niagara Falls and Love

> Canal that was posted by 

> Dr. Ruth Weiner and Steve Dapra is outdated and

> incorrect. 

> 

>     Cancer abounds, like it or not, and I will offer

> in advance my sincerest 

> apologies to Dr. Weiner's delicate sensibilities. 

> 

>     I do not agree with this (1981-Science) Love

> Canal information being 

> foisted upon us when it is from a 23 year old

> article and accompanied by the 

> Dr.Weiner's comments including praise for Mr. Steve

> Dapra in providing this 

> outdated citation, when the most recent New York

> State Cancer Zip Code Registry 

> clearly shows significant increases in at least

> four-forms of cancer throughout 

> Niagara County (including the Love Canal postal zip

> code).   

> 

>     I have provided links to the NYS Zip Code Cancer

> Initiative in the past. 

> 

>     Some cancers being found around Niagara County

> are of >100% GREATER> 

> incidence than nationally expected averages, such as

> lung cancer in this general 

> area (14301 - 14305 zip codes). In an area due

> upwind of Love Canal, at a 

> historic waste dump (now) called BFI-Allied

> (previously CECOS), 25 years ago, 

> concerns were expressed because of recently (then)

> uncovered Pu, U and Th "slag" 

> and possibly other radioactive materials had been

> buried directly to soil.  25 

> years later, and on the downwind side of this dump,

> there shows a 100% >

> increased> incidence in lung cancers over the

> expected average. Go figure... 

> 

>     Apparantly, Dr. Weiner and Steve Dapra see no

> possible association or 

> potential for a correlation to materials that they

> are not familiar with as 

> historically being in the area, and disease(s)

> currently being seen. 

> 

>    Unfortunately, as a local researcher, I cannot so

> easily dismiss this (and 

> other associated confounders). 

> 

>     (Please tell me you two are not medical doctors.

>    ;^ )

> 

> From Weiner Dapra posting--

> > See SCIENCE, 19 jUNE 1981, V. 212, pp1404-1407

> (and I want to thank Steve 

> > Dapra for digging this paper out).  Of the nin

> specific cancers and the 

> "all 

> > other category,  the ratio of observed to expected

> cancers, age 

> standardized, was 

> > ....

> 

>     Please don't cite documents that are nearly 25

> years old as being 

> primary. I don't think that that is very good

> science or very responsible. Please 

> seek out the current NYS Cancer Registry for

> citations.

> 

>     The outdated Science reference provided, could

> possibly by some, be 

> viewed as being purposefully misleading. Hopefully,

> this was not the case, and that 

> Dr. Weiner and Steve Dapra did not intentionally

> present this information in 

> a false light.

> 

> 

>     Thank you to those that have provided more

> recent citations and 

> commentary.

> 

>     Sincerely,

>     Louis Ricciuti

>     Niagara County - Los Alamos East 

> 





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""A fanatic is one who cannot change his mind and won't change the subject."  Winston Churchill



-- John

John Jacobus, MS

Certified Health Physicist

e-mail:  crispy_bird@yahoo.com



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