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> If the predictions of the linear model do not agree with the data, then
> the modelers lose; it is as simple as that.
Unless you're: (a) the EPA, (b) the Clinton Administration, or (c) an
anti-nuke religious zealot, in which case data that do not fit your model
are considered errant, and that's simple also.
> A 1,000
> megawatt oil-powered plant produces 300,000 tons of solid waste; a nuclear
> plant about 20 cubic meters.
>
> Nuclear produces almost no atmospheric pollutants. Oil spews huge amounts
> of particulates and toxic gases into the atmosphere, including carbon
> dioxide, a major cause of global warming. Nuclear is safer, too. A
European
> Union and International Atomic Energy Agency study concludes that oil
kills
> 32 times as many people through exposure to its pollutants.
>
> Electric cars are seen as a panacea by some. But unless we go nuclear, all
> they do is transfer the site of energy- and pollution-generation from the
> car itself to some central power plant that produces the electricity. If
> that power plant is fueled by oil, no pollution or conservation saving has
> been achieved.
Tremendous stuff, this. All in line with the facts, but will the anti-nuke
and environmental activists ever accept these facts, or simply continue
their anti-information and anti-progress crusade, which is killing people,
not saving them? Remains to be seen, I am hopeful that there will be a move
towards reason in the near future.
Michael Stabin, PhD, CHP
Departamento de Energia Nuclear/UFPE
Av. Prof. Luiz Freire, 1000 - Cidade Universitaria
CEP 50740 - 540
Recife - PE
Brazil
Phone 55-81-271-8251 or 8252 or 8253
Fax 55-81-271-8250
E-mail stabin@npd.ufpe.br
"Quantum Mechanics: The dreams stuff is made of"
- Steven Wright
-----Mensagem Original-----
De: <radsafe@romulus.ehs.uiuc.edu>
Para: Multiple recipients of list <radsafe@romulus.ehs.uiuc.edu>
Enviada em: Monday, March 20, 2000 1:43 PM
Assunto: RADSAFE digest 3032
> RADSAFE Digest 3032
>
> Topics covered in this issue include:
>
> 1) Re: Disposal of Clean YELLOW materials
> by "Sandy Perle" <sandyfl@earthlink.net>
> 2) Re: Cohen's ecological data: a test of LNT?
> by Bernard L Cohen <blc+@pitt.edu>
> 3) Re: Disposal of Clean YELLOW materials
> by William V Lipton <liptonw@dteenergy.com>
> 4) US Seeks Share of China's Nuclear Power Program
> by "Sandy Perle" <sandyfl@earthlink.net>
> 5) Hungary's MVM Poised to Buy Slovak Power Plant, Paper Reports
> by "Sandy Perle" <sandyfl@earthlink.net>
> 6) RE: Hungary's MVM Poised to Buy Slovak Power Plant, Paper Reports
> by "Lieskovsky, Miro" <MLieskovsky@nbpower.com>
> 7) Personnel Office
> by Perron Harvard C PSNS <perronh@psns.navy.mil>
> 8) HPS Summer Meeting
> by Dave Biela <BielaD@wv.doe.gov>
> 9) RICHARD GARCIA/SONGS/SCE/EIX is out of the office.
> by garciara@songs.sce.com
> 10) Oxford/Canberra LB5100 Y2K problem
> by "Vincent Chase" <CHASEV@war.wyeth.com>
> 11) Re: HPS Summer Meeting
> by "Sandy Perle" <sandyfl@earthlink.net>
> 12) Re: HPS Summer Meeting
> by William V Lipton <liptonw@dteenergy.com>
> 13) Re: Disposal of Clean YELLOW materials
> by Dave Biela <BielaD@wv.doe.gov>
> 14) RE: HPS Summer Meeting
> by "Vernig, Peter G." <Peter.Vernig@med.va.gov>
> 15) Re: Cohen's ecological data: a test of LNT?
> by William V Lipton <liptonw@dteenergy.com>
> 16) Re: Disposal of Clean YELLOW materials
> by deh42 <deh42@worldnet.att.net>
> 17) RE: HPS Summer Meeting
> by "Sandy Perle" <sandyfl@earthlink.net>
> 18) Re: ABHP Certification, Turner, and IIT's MHP Program
> by "Robin Overton" <Robin.Overton@rmh.edu>
> 19) apology!
> by "Sandy Perle" <sandyfl@earthlink.net>
> 20) Pro-Nuke Washington Post Article
> by Lorna Bullerwell <ljb1@cornell.edu>
> 21) RE: HPS Summer Meeting
> by "Vernig, Peter G." <Peter.Vernig@med.va.gov>
> 22) 2nd Thai radiation victim cremated 3 days ago
> by "Bjorn Cedervall" <bcradsafers@hotmail.com>
> 23) IAEA Safety Series #1 / Nbs #92 / NCRP #30
> by "Ken Smith" <ksmith@cats.ucsc.edu>
>
> ----------------------------------------------------------------------
>
> Date: Mon, 20 Mar 2000 06:58:53 -0800
> From: "Sandy Perle" <sandyfl@earthlink.net>
> To: radsafe@romulus.ehs.uiuc.edu
> Subject: Re: Disposal of Clean YELLOW materials
> Message-ID: <200003201528.HAA17628@www.icnpharm.com>
>
> A quick solution is to change the colors of "contamination free"
> bags. Have one color specifically for disposal of anything that is
> definitely not contaminated, and have another color that is only used
> when the material contained within is either contaminated or has the
> potential of being contaminated. Take the guesswork out of it, and
> use human factors analysis.
>
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>
> Date: Mon, 20 Mar 2000 10:04:04 -0500 (EST)
> From: Bernard L Cohen <blc+@pitt.edu>
> To: Multiple recipients of list <radsafe@romulus.ehs.uiuc.edu>
> Subject: Re: Cohen's ecological data: a test of LNT?
> Message-ID:
<Pine.GSO.3.96L.1000320093623.2728A-100000@unixs2.cis.pitt.edu>
>
>
> On Fri, 17 Mar 2000, Ken Mossman wrote:
>
> > This my last shot!
> >
> > Cohen and I agree that LNT is a causal relationship. Howevever, I am now
> > totally confused about whether Cohen's data tests for a causal
relationship.
> > In his April 1997 paper in Health Physics (page 625), Cohen indicates
that
> > his data do not test for a causal relationship but has a much more
limited
> > objective. Now Cohen says that his data tests for a causal relationship.
> > Which is it? Either the data test for a causal relationship or thery
don't!
>
> --It tests for one particular type of causal relationship, namely
> Linear-no threshold (LNT). There are many other types of causal
> relationships --quadratic, threshold, etc -- and my data do not test for
> them or distinguish between them.
> The quote from the page 625 reference above is: "case-control
> studies investigate the causal relationship between radon exposure and
> lung cancer, whereas our work has the much more limited objective of
> testing the linear-no threshold theory". The word "investigate" means
> to me "trying to determine". Our work does not, and cannot do this. There
> is no implication in my statement that LNT is not a particular type of
> causal relationship.
>
> >
> > If the data test for a causal relationship, as Cohen now states, then
the
> > ecological fallacy becomes operative. If the data do not test for a
causal
> > relationbship, then the data are not a test of LNT because LNT is a
causal
> > relationship (as Cohen and I now agree).
>
> --My data test for the one particular type of causal
> relationship,namely LNT, for which the "ecological fallacy does not apply.
> If I were to go further and "investigate" what type of causal relationship
> is operative, the ecological fallacy would apply, so I cannot do that. I
> can only show that LNT does not apply.
>
> >
> Bernard L. Cohen
> Physics Dept.
> University of Pittsburgh
> Pittsburgh, PA 15260
> Tel: (412)624-9245
> Fax: (412)624-9163
> e-mail: blc+@pitt.edu
>
>
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> Date: Mon, 20 Mar 2000 10:07:24 -0500
> From: William V Lipton <liptonw@dteenergy.com>
> To: radsafe@romulus.ehs.uiuc.edu
> Subject: Re: Disposal of Clean YELLOW materials
> Message-ID: <38D63EAC.BE57894C@dteenergy.com>
>
> There should be a site policy to avoid yellow materials outside of the
radiologically restricted area (RRA). For example, use green bags,
herculite, etc. outside of the RRA and reserve yellow bags, herculite, etc.
for
> use in the RRA.
>
> Also, as a volume reduction measure, you should minimize the use of
herculite within the RRA. We're encouraging the use of launderable tarps in
place of herculite, wherever feasible. We also use launderable bags in
> place of plastic bags, wherever feasible.
>
> The opinions expressed are strictly mine.
> It's not about dose, it's about trust.
>
> Bill Lipton
> liptonw@dteenergy.com
>
>
> Dave Biela wrote:
>
> > There is a nervousness on our site about the disposal of anything yellow
(bags, herculite,etc). These materials may never have been in a
radiological area, or if they were, they were completely surveyed and
released.
> >
> > How do other locations, especially DOE sites, deal with this topic? Do
you release items? If yes, do you do something to it first (shred, mark it
etc).
> >
> > Please reply directly to:
> >
> > Rich Hazard 716-942-4367
> > Hazardr@wv.doe.gov
> >
> > Thanks
> > Dave Biela
> >
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> Date: Mon, 20 Mar 2000 07:06:08 -0800
> From: "Sandy Perle" <sandyfl@earthlink.net>
> To: radsafe@romulus.ehs.uiuc.edu, powernet@hps1.org
> Subject: US Seeks Share of China's Nuclear Power Program
> Message-ID: <200003201536.HAA17895@www.icnpharm.com>
>
> US Seeks Share of China's Nuclear Power Program
>
> Beijing, March 20 (Bloomberg) -- China is expected to invest about
> $15 billion in new nuclear power plants from 2001 to 2005 to
> diversify power generation, and U.S. companies are now angling for a
> share of a market that was closed to them until 1998.
>
> China is now formulating its 10th five-year plan, covering the period
> from 2001 to 2005. Under discussion is a proposal to build four to
> six reactor units in the provinces of Guangdong, Shandong and
> Zhejiang, said Woodrow Williams, director of sales for General
> Electric Company's nuclear energy division.
>
> Each reactor unit carries a price tag of $2.5 billion to $4 billion
> said Joe F. Colvin, chief executive of the Nuclear Energy Institute,
> a U.S. industry group. With approximately $15 billion in potential
> business at stake, U.S. manufacturers are in Beijing trying to raise
> their profile at the International Nuclear Industry Exhibition, which
> opened today, he said.
>
> ``Our purpose here is really to try to bring to the Chinese the
> benefits of our technology,'' Colvin said. ``The U.S. has been the
> teacher and the leader in this technology and our message to China
> is: ``you ought to learn from the teacher and not from the
> students''.''
>
> Until 1998, U.S. law prohibited U.S. companies from selling nuclear
> power plant technology to China, which allowed companies from France
> and Canada to dominate the Chinese market.
>
> With the large scale of planned investment, the U.S. companies are
> looking to gain ground, Colvin said.
>
> ``There's a great opportunity here and obviously we want to get in
> here and develop partnerships with China like the French and the
> Canadians have done so far,'' he said.
>
> New Plants
>
> China currently has three nuclear power plants in operation, with
> another eight under construction, though nuclear power still accounts
> for less than 1 percent of China's total electric power output,
> Colvin said.
>
> China aims to generate about 3 percent of its electricity through
> nuclear power by the year 2006, earlier reports in official media
> said.
>
> ``We would like to be able to participate in those plans and we've
> been working with the various provinces that are currently planning
> these projects,'' GE's Williams said.
>
> While U.S. companies are excited about the prospects for the Chinese
> market, they could be hampered by China's lack of legislation on
> nuclear liability protection, Williams said.
>
> The framework for how the Chinese government would provide liability
> protection for manufacturers in the event of an accident was provided
> in an executive order written in 1986, although it is not in the form
> of a law, he said.
>
> Some U.S. companies have already worked with China to provide
> expertise on the subject and an international seminar on nuclear
> liability will be held in Beijing at the end of April.
>
> Draft Law
>
> Meantime, a legislative committee in China's National People's
> Congress is drafting a bill similar to the U.S. Atomic Energy Act.
> The proposed legislation could be ready within a year, Williams said.
>
> ``The Chinese know they have to come up with a law on nuclear
> liability,'' he said. ``Without that protection, some U.S. companies
> may decide not to bid for these projects.''
>
> One other potential stumbling block for U.S. companies seeking a
> foothold in the China market is competing strategies for developing
> China's nuclear power industry put forward by the two main government
> agencies charged with setting policy.
>
> On the one hand is the China National Nuclear Corporation, which is
> pushing the idea of gradually improving old designs.
>
> While the corporation has asked U.S companies if they would
> participate in such modifications, the U.S. companies have no
> interest in such plans.
>
> ``We have said absolutely not, we will not do it, period,'' Williams
> said. ``It's the wrong thing to do as China should embrace advancing
> technology, improve safety, improve the techniques of construction
> and reduce the overall costs of generating electricity. But if they
> take the CNNC approach, they will not do any of that.''
>
> The State Power Corporation, an umbrella organization for provincial
> utilities that grew out of the old Ministry of Electric Power, says
> China should embrace advanced, proven technologies.
>
> General Electric is hoping the State Power Corporation will win out
> so the company can sell its advanced boiling water reactor technology
> to China, Williams said.
>
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> Director, Technical Extension 2306
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> Date: Mon, 20 Mar 2000 07:06:53 -0800
> From: "Sandy Perle" <sandyfl@earthlink.net>
> To: powernet@hps1.org, radsafe@romulus.ehs.uiuc.edu
> Subject: Hungary's MVM Poised to Buy Slovak Power Plant, Paper Reports
> Message-ID: <200003201537.HAA17902@www.icnpharm.com>
>
> Hungary's MVM Poised to Buy Slovak Power Plant, Paper Reports
>
> Budapest, March 20 (Bloomberg) -- MVM Rt., Hungary's monopoly
> electricity supplier, is poised to buy a gas-turbine power plant in
> Bratislava, the Slovak capital, Hungarian business daily Napi
> Gazdasag reported, citing Istvan Takacs, chief executive officer of
> the company. The company is seeking to expand into countries that
> border Hungary. MVM's profit rose more than fivefold to 10.8 billion
> forint ($41 million) compared with 1.9 billion forint in 1998 because
> of a rise in income from the Paks nuclear power plant, the newspaper
> said.
>
> Mol Rt., Hungary's oil and gas monopoly, also is aiming to expand in
> the region and bid for a stake in Slovak refiner Slovnaft AS.
>
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
> Sandy Perle Tel:(714) 545-0100 / (800) 548-5100
> Director, Technical Extension 2306
> ICN Worldwide Dosimetry Division Fax:(714) 668-3149
> ICN Biomedicals, Inc. E-Mail: sandyfl@earthlink.net
> ICN Plaza, 3300 Hyland Avenue E-Mail: sperle@icnpharm.com
> Costa Mesa, CA 92626
>
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>
> Date: Mon, 20 Mar 2000 11:11:40 -0400
> From: "Lieskovsky, Miro" <MLieskovsky@nbpower.com>
> To: "'radsafe@romulus.ehs.uiuc.edu'" <radsafe@romulus.ehs.uiuc.edu>
> Subject: RE: Hungary's MVM Poised to Buy Slovak Power Plant, Paper Reports
> Message-ID: <592E768F0A71D311AE9F0008C79134A41AC118@SOUTHEXCH1>
>
> Sandy,
> Could you please direct me into the original news source?
> Thanks,
> Miro.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Sandy Perle [mailto:sandyfl@earthlink.net]
> Sent: Monday, March 20, 2000 11:15 AM
> To: Multiple recipients of list
> Subject: Hungary's MVM Poised to Buy Slovak Power Plant, Paper Reports
>
>
> Hungary's MVM Poised to Buy Slovak Power Plant, Paper Reports
>
> Budapest, March 20 (Bloomberg) -- MVM Rt., Hungary's monopoly
> electricity supplier, is poised to buy a gas-turbine power plant in
> Bratislava, the Slovak capital, Hungarian business daily Napi
> Gazdasag reported, citing Istvan Takacs, chief executive officer of
> the company. The company is seeking to expand into countries that
> border Hungary. MVM's profit rose more than fivefold to 10.8 billion
> forint ($41 million) compared with 1.9 billion forint in 1998 because
> of a rise in income from the Paks nuclear power plant, the newspaper
> said.
>
> Mol Rt., Hungary's oil and gas monopoly, also is aiming to expand in
> the region and bid for a stake in Slovak refiner Slovnaft AS.
>
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
> Sandy Perle Tel:(714) 545-0100 / (800)
> 548-5100
> Director, Technical Extension 2306
>
> ICN Worldwide Dosimetry Division Fax:(714) 668-3149
>
> ICN Biomedicals, Inc. E-Mail:
> sandyfl@earthlink.net
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>
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>
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>
> Date: Mon, 20 Mar 2000 07:18:54 -0800
> From: Perron Harvard C PSNS <perronh@psns.navy.mil>
> To: "'radsafe@romulus.ehs.uiuc.edu'" <radsafe@romulus.ehs.uiuc.edu>
> Subject: Personnel Office
> Message-ID: <CC1C9F15A09ED311B07E00902710F69211D3E8@ct7.psns.navy.mil>
>
> Does anyone have the address for the personnel office at the Palo Verde
> Nuclear Plants? I am posting this message for a radiological control
> technician at this site.
>
> Thank You in advance.
> Please reply directly to:
>
> H. Perron
> perronh@psns.navy.mil
>
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> Date: Mon, 20 Mar 2000 10:24:38 -0500
> From: Dave Biela <BielaD@wv.doe.gov>
> To: RADSAFE@romulus.ehs.uiuc.edu
> Subject: HPS Summer Meeting
> Message-ID: <s8d5fc8c.081@wv.doe.gov>
>
> Anyone know the costs for the summer HPS meeting in Denver and if there is
an early registration savings? Due date?
>
> BielaD@wv.doe.gov
>
> Thanks
>
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>
> Date: Mon, 20 Mar 2000 07:24:27 -0800
> From: garciara@songs.sce.com
> To: radsafe@romulus.ehs.uiuc.edu
> Subject: RICHARD GARCIA/SONGS/SCE/EIX is out of the office.
> Message-ID: <OF4B4982C2.DB7C0FED-ON882568A8.0054A300@songs.sce.com>
>
> I will be out of the office starting 03/18/2000 and will not return until
> 03/28/2000.
>
> I will respond to your message when I return.
>
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> Date: Mon, 20 Mar 2000 10:29:01 -0500
> From: "Vincent Chase" <CHASEV@war.wyeth.com>
> To: radsafe@romulus.ehs.uiuc.edu
> Subject: Oxford/Canberra LB5100 Y2K problem
> Message-ID: <s8d5fd77.095@war.wyeth.com>
>
> We had several older systems that were not Y2K compliant and that could
not be upgraded without significant cost. In some cases, the cost of the
upgrade was almost as much as purchasing a new model.
>
> Because some of these instruments had minimal, but critical, use, we
decided to reset the date. After doing a little research, I found that 1972
is an exact copy of 2000, including the leap day in February. This makes
decay correction easier since you don't have to worry about whether to
include a leap day in your calculation. The researchers find it easy to
substitute 1972 for 2000, 1971 for 1999 and 1970 for 1998 and not have to
worry recalculating the month and day.
>
> The only glitch to this system is if you use MS Excel to calculate the
date and have upgraded to Excel 97. Excel 97 only goes back to 1980. We
contacted our IS department and made sure that the units using Excel did not
get upgraded to Excel 97.
>
> Hope this helps.
>
> Regards,
> Vince
>
>
>
> Vince Chase
> Radiation Safety Officer
> Wyeth-Ayerst Research
> CN 8000
> Princeton, NJ 08543
>
> phone 732-274-4478
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> Date: Mon, 20 Mar 2000 07:18:49 -0800
> From: "Sandy Perle" <sandyfl@earthlink.net>
> To: radsafe@romulus.ehs.uiuc.edu
> Subject: Re: HPS Summer Meeting
> Message-ID: <200003201558.HAA18555@www.icnpharm.com>
>
> Dave (and others):
>
> The HPS Summer School has a website. You can check out all the
> details there.
>
> http://lamar.colostate.edu/~hplab/
>
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> Date: Mon, 20 Mar 2000 10:34:32 -0500
> From: William V Lipton <liptonw@dteenergy.com>
> To: radsafe@romulus.ehs.uiuc.edu
> Subject: Re: HPS Summer Meeting
> Message-ID: <38D64508.38962EF6@dteenergy.com>
>
> The meeting Web page, at:
>
> http://www.webpanache.com/crmchps/hps2000.htm
>
> states that registration informatio will be available the first week in
April.
>
> The opinions expressed are strictly mine.
> It's not about dose, it's about trust.
>
> Bill Lipton
> liptonw@dteenergy.com
>
>
> Dave Biela wrote:
>
> > Anyone know the costs for the summer HPS meeting in Denver and if there
is an early registration savings? Due date?
> >
> > BielaD@wv.doe.gov
> >
> > Thanks
> >
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> Date: Mon, 20 Mar 2000 10:52:23 -0500
> From: Dave Biela <BielaD@wv.doe.gov>
> To: radsafe@romulus.ehs.uiuc.edu
> Cc: hazardr@wv.doe.gov
> Subject: Re: Disposal of Clean YELLOW materials
> Message-ID: <s8d602fe.012@wv.doe.gov>
>
> We have put methods in place to limit yellow in clean areas etc. We still
have a lot of clean yellow, old tents from rad areas that have been surveyed
clean and can no longer be used etc.
>
> Looking to see if the color yellow in normal waste is a problem at other
locations.
>
> Please send comments to Rich Hazard:
>
> hazardr@wv.doe.gov
>
> Thanks
> Dave Biela
>
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> Date: Mon, 20 Mar 2000 09:48:31 -0600
> From: "Vernig, Peter G." <Peter.Vernig@med.va.gov>
> To: "'radsafe@romulus.ehs.uiuc.edu'" <radsafe@romulus.ehs.uiuc.edu>
> Subject: RE: HPS Summer Meeting
> Message-ID: <D6FD4F07371ED31197070000F808A05D621448@VHADENEXC1>
>
> Dave,
>
> I will try and find out. I'm on the LAC here but haven't heard pricing
info
> yet. Also, although we have a web page for the meeting it still only
"shows
> the colors" with no info posted as yet. Hopefully we'll get that
corrected
> soon. I'll let you know.
>
> Peter G. Vernig,
> CRMCHPS-LAC
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Dave Biela [mailto:BielaD@wv.doe.gov]
> Sent: Monday, March 20, 2000 8:26 AM
> To: Multiple recipients of list
> Subject: HPS Summer Meeting
>
>
> Anyone know the costs for the summer HPS meeting in Denver and if there is
> an early registration savings? Due date?
>
> BielaD@wv.doe.gov
>
> Thanks
>
>
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> Date: Mon, 20 Mar 2000 10:09:48 -0500
> From: William V Lipton <liptonw@dteenergy.com>
> To: radsafe@romulus.ehs.uiuc.edu
> Subject: Re: Cohen's ecological data: a test of LNT?
> Message-ID: <38D63F3C.8FC30C6@dteenergy.com>
>
> Can we bury this dead horse?
>
> The opinions expressed are strictly mine.
> It's not about dose, it's about trust.
>
> Bill Lipton
> liptonw@dteenergy.com
>
> Bernard L Cohen wrote:
>
> > On Fri, 17 Mar 2000, Ken Mossman wrote:
> >
> > > This my last shot!
> > >
> > > Cohen and I agree that LNT is a causal relationship. Howevever, I am
now
> > > totally confused about whether Cohen's data tests for a causal
relationship.
> > > In his April 1997 paper in Health Physics (page 625), Cohen indicates
that
> > > his data do not test for a causal relationship but has a much more
limited
> > > objective. Now Cohen says that his data tests for a causal
relationship.
> > > Which is it? Either the data test for a causal relationship or thery
don't!
> >
> > --It tests for one particular type of causal relationship,
namely
> > Linear-no threshold (LNT). There are many other types of causal
> > relationships --quadratic, threshold, etc -- and my data do not test for
> > them or distinguish between them.
> > The quote from the page 625 reference above is: "case-control
> > studies investigate the causal relationship between radon exposure and
> > lung cancer, whereas our work has the much more limited objective of
> > testing the linear-no threshold theory". The word "investigate" means
> > to me "trying to determine". Our work does not, and cannot do this.
There
> > is no implication in my statement that LNT is not a particular type of
> > causal relationship.
> >
> > >
> > > If the data test for a causal relationship, as Cohen now states, then
the
> > > ecological fallacy becomes operative. If the data do not test for a
causal
> > > relationbship, then the data are not a test of LNT because LNT is a
causal
> > > relationship (as Cohen and I now agree).
> >
> > --My data test for the one particular type of causal
> > relationship,namely LNT, for which the "ecological fallacy does not
apply.
> > If I were to go further and "investigate" what type of causal
relationship
> > is operative, the ecological fallacy would apply, so I cannot do that. I
> > can only show that LNT does not apply.
> >
> > >
> > Bernard L. Cohen
> > Physics Dept.
> > University of Pittsburgh
> > Pittsburgh, PA 15260
> > Tel: (412)624-9245
> > Fax: (412)624-9163
> > e-mail: blc+@pitt.edu
> >
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> Date: Mon, 20 Mar 2000 10:58:07 -0500
> From: deh42 <deh42@worldnet.att.net>
> To: radsafe@romulus.ehs.uiuc.edu
> Subject: Re: Disposal of Clean YELLOW materials
> Message-ID: <38D64A8F.589D0B09@worldnet.att.net>
>
> It is acceptable to shred clean yellow waste and dispose of it in public
> landfills. You must however maintain your records of release in the
> advent of future questions about the methodology of release.
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> Date: Mon, 20 Mar 2000 07:41:54 -0800
> From: "Sandy Perle" <sandyfl@earthlink.net>
> To: radsafe@romulus.ehs.uiuc.edu
> Subject: RE: HPS Summer Meeting
> Message-ID: <200003201626.IAA19231@www.icnpharm.com>
>
> I'll reiterate, the HPS Summer School Webpage has a Registration
> Form, and all fees are delineated.
>
> http://lamar.colostate.edu/~hplab/
>
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
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> Date: Mon, 20 Mar 2000 11:10:15 -0500
> From: "Robin Overton" <Robin.Overton@rmh.edu>
> To: <radsafe@romulus.ehs.uiuc.edu>
> Subject: Re: ABHP Certification, Turner, and IIT's MHP Program
> Message-ID: <s8d60736.077@mail3.rmh.edu>
>
> Eli,
>
> Thanks for the info.
> Please send to Robin.Overton@rmh.edu or
> RobinOverton
> 12 Dennis Lane
> Blythewood, SC 29016
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> Date: Mon, 20 Mar 2000 07:58:03 -0800
> From: "Sandy Perle" <sandyfl@earthlink.net>
> To: radsafe@romulus.ehs.uiuc.edu
> Subject: apology!
> Message-ID: <200003201643.IAA19649@www.icnpharm.com>
>
> Bill pointed out to me that Dave was interested in the summer
> meeting, and NOT the summer school.
>
> A thousand apologies!
>
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> Date: Mon, 20 Mar 2000 11:14:17 -0500
> From: Lorna Bullerwell <ljb1@cornell.edu>
> To: radsafe@romulus.ehs.uiuc.edu
> Subject: Pro-Nuke Washington Post Article
> Message-ID:
<3.0.3.32.20000320111417.0075429c@postoffice2.mail.cornell.edu>
>
> This posting was sent to the TRTR email list and I haven't seen in on
> RADSAFE, so I thought I'd send it along.
>
> Lorna
>
> ------------ Forwarded by Anthony J Vinnola/AJV/CC01/INEEL/US on
03/17/2000
> 05:30 PM ---------------------------
>
>
> Here is a very pro-nuke editorial by columnist Charles Krauthammer in the
> WP on 3/17/00.
>
> You have been sent this message as a courtesy of the Washington Post
> (http://www.washingtonpost.com).
>
> To view the entire article, go to http://washingtonpost.
> com/wp-dyn/articles/A26549-2000Mar16.html
>
> A Nation of Oil Addicts
>
> Let's see: (1) Flush and prosperous, America goes on a decade-long,
> gas-guzzling SUV binge. (2) Out of deference to calving Arctic caribou,
the
> government declares off limits for exploration the largest oil repository
> in the United States. And (3) a brand new $5.5 billion nuclear reactor on
> Long Island is shut down and dismantled before selling a single kilowatt
of
> electricity, part of a general "China Syndrome" panic about nuclear power.
>
> Oil consumption up. Oil exploration stymied. Oil substitutes shackled.
> Surprise! Gasoline prices are high. Pump prices are hitting $1.80 a
gallon,
> and the politicians are scurrying about, expressing outrage and looking
for
> villains. We have been here before.
>
> When gasoline prices last spiked in 1996, President Clinton, ever feeling
> our pain, ordered Energy and Justice Department investigations to find out
> why. A few months later, the reports concluded that high prices were
caused
> by--brace yourself--high demand and tight supply. (Alas, not price gouging
> by the oil companies.)
>
> Why do oil prices periodically spike? No mystery: backsliding on
> conservation, irrational restrictions on oil exploration and a nuclear
> phobia that keeps us from substituting uranium for fossil fuels. OPEC sees
> all this, watches supplies tightening, seizes the opportunity for a
> windfall by restricting supply even more, and presto!--oil hits $30 a
barrel.
>
> What to do? Some Republicans have decided to take a whack at Clinton's 4.3
> cents-a-gallon gas tax. Oh, the courage. Aside from the fact that repeal,
> literally, won't make a dime's worth of difference at the pump, it betrays
> a total misapprehension of the problem. The reason we are in our current
> state is not high, but low gas taxes.
>
> The other industrial nations pay far more than we do in energy taxes. When
> the price of oil dropped from $20 a barrel to $10, gas was so cheap that
> people stopped demanding fuel efficiency in their cars. That was the time
> to slap on a nice hefty gas tax.
>
> If we had kept the retail price at, say, $20 a barrel by progressively
> adding taxes as the price went down to $10, we would have (1) encouraged
> conservation, (2) produced huge revenues for government (enabling a cut in
> other taxes) and (3) kept the price relatively stable.
>
> That tax could have been lifted gradually as the price began to rise. But
> the price would not have risen as much, because consumption would have
been
> tempered by the artificially high price during times of plenty.
>
> The other current idea is to lower prices by pumping out the strategic
> petroleum reserve. Nothing terribly wrong with that. If oil producers
> abroad are going to artificially lower supply, we can artificially raise
it.
>
> It is, however, not going to make much difference to prices. We just don't
> have that much in the reserve--no more than a 56-day supply. The only good
> reason to use the strategic petroleum reserve now has nothing to do with
> helping the consumer, but a lot to do with making easy money for the U.S.
> government. Why shouldn't the government sell its oil at $30--and then
> refill the reserve at a later time when the price falls, as it inevitably
> will, to $20 or $10? It is about time that government, the eternal
> spendthrift, sold high and bought low.
>
> These temporary measures, however, will make as little difference at the
> pump as did the peregrinations of the U.S. energy secretary begging U.S.
> client states to be nice and raise oil production.
>
> What to do in the long run? Reduce our dependence on oil. Historian
Richard
> Rhodes and nuclear engineer Denis Beller make an unimpeachable case for
> nuclear power in the January-February 2000 issue of Foreign Affairs.
> Nuclear is both more efficient and cleaner than fossil fuels. A 1,000
> megawatt oil-powered plant produces 300,000 tons of solid waste; a nuclear
> plant
> about 20 cubic meters.
>
> Nuclear produces almost no atmospheric pollutants. Oil spews huge amounts
> of particulates and toxic gases into the atmosphere, including carbon
> dioxide, a major cause of global warming. Nuclear is safer, too. A
European
> Union and International Atomic Energy Agency study concludes that oil
kills
> 32 times as many people through exposure to its pollutants.
>
> Electric cars are seen as a panacea by some. But unless we go nuclear, all
> they do is transfer the site of energy- and pollution-generation from the
> car itself to some central power plant that produces the electricity. If
> that power plant is fueled by oil, no pollution or conservation saving has
> been achieved.
>
> There is a way out of our energy dilemma. It involves not idle fiddling
now
> with taxes or petroleum reserves. It involves a rethinking of our energy
> prejudices. Try selling that in an election year.
>
>
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> Date: Mon, 20 Mar 2000 10:20:07 -0600
> From: "Vernig, Peter G." <Peter.Vernig@med.va.gov>
> To: "'radsafe@romulus.ehs.uiuc.edu'" <radsafe@romulus.ehs.uiuc.edu>
> Subject: RE: HPS Summer Meeting
> Message-ID: <D6FD4F07371ED31197070000F808A05D621449@VHADENEXC1>
>
> Sandy & Group,
>
> I believe the initial question regarded the summer meeting rather than
> summer school.
>
> As Sandy pointed out. The summer SCHOOL information is posted. As
someone
> else pointed out, the CRMSCHP web page for the American Radiation Safety
> Conference and Exposition [AKA HPS Annual Meeting] says info will be
> available the first week in April. I had checked it last week and it
still
> said only check back for further info.
>
> We have an LAC meeting tonight if we are not snowed out [BTW Winter has
been
> postponed here until spring.] and if registration costs have been
> established the info should be available then.
>
> Any opinions expressed are mine alone and do not necessarily represent
those
> of the Denver VA Medical Center, The Department of Veterans Affairs, or
the
> U.S. Government.
>
> Peter G. Vernig
> LAC
>
> Radiation Safety Officer, VA Medical Center, 1055 Clermont St. Denver, CO
> 80220, ATTN; RSO MS 115
> 303-399-8020 ext. 2447, peter.vernig@med.va.gov [alternate
> vernig.peter@forum.va.gov] Fax 303-393-5026 [8 - 4:30 MT service]
Alternate
> Fax 303-377-5686
>
> "...whatever is true, whatever is noble, whatever is right,, whatever is
> pure, whatever is lovely, whatever is admirable, if anything is found to
be
> excellent or praiseworthy, let your mind dwell on these things." Paul
>
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> Date: Mon, 20 Mar 2000 16:34:43 GMT
> From: "Bjorn Cedervall" <bcradsafers@hotmail.com>
> To: radsafe@romulus.ehs.uiuc.edu
> Subject: 2nd Thai radiation victim cremated 3 days ago
> Message-ID: <20000320163443.30711.qmail@hotmail.com>
>
> Radsafers,
>
> I posted a message about the death of the second Thai radiation victim
some
> 15-20 minutes ago but it seems like it has not dropped in yet. He was
> cremated in secrecy (people were frightened). Wonder if anything went
wrong
> with my posting. The whole story (in case it does not drop in can be found
> in Bangkok Post at
> http://www.bangkokpost.net/issues/radiation/stories.html
>
> Bjorn Cedervall bcradsafers@hotmail.com
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> Date: Mon, 20 Mar 2000 08:36:36 -0800
> From: "Ken Smith" <ksmith@cats.ucsc.edu>
> To: <radsafe@romulus.ehs.uiuc.edu>
> Subject: IAEA Safety Series #1 / Nbs #92 / NCRP #30
> Message-ID: <GNEILNPIJPICHAGMCNFPGEDJCJAA.ksmith@cats.ucsc.edu>
>
> Hi All -
>
> I have a question on a table that is quoted numerous times in various
> intuitions safety manuals. The table I believe was originally called
> "Radiotoxicity Hazard from Absorption into the Body". This table
classified
> certain common radioisotoped in to 4 Group (I Very High - IV Low) based
on
> their radiotoxicity.
>
> What I find interesting is that some nuclides first published in the NCRP
> #30 as High Toxicity (eg. I-125) 1964 then get republished in IAEA Safety
> Series number 1 1973 as Low toxicity. The latest attempt to sort
> radionuclides into hazard groups I found in the Radionuclide and Radiation
> Protection Data Handbook 1998. This publication took the exempt level
stated
> in IAEA safety series 115 and assigned a group level to it. It now assigns
a
> hazard group 2 (high) to I-125.
>
> Does any one know where the latest revision of this table could be found?
If
> you have any insight as to where and how these tables were derived I'd
like
> to know?
>
> Ken
>
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