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Re: Non-CHPs in the health physics job market - Opportunities arepresent



Ok folks....Let me elaborate...
 
Let me start by apologizing to Mr. Gunter for apparently misreading or misinterpreting his original post.  Also let me apologize for the length of this post but there are several points I want to make.
 
As to Mr. Lipton's assertion that I was whining, I really wasn't.  I was simply voicing my opinion on a subject I feel strongly about.  If voicing an opinion on a subject is considered whining, then I believe all individuals (myself included) who post on this list would have a continuous trail of tears running down their faces.
 
Next, let me say I meant no disrespect to anyone holding a degree.  I applaud anyone fortunate enough to succeed in furthering their education.  Perhaps I was not clear in my original post.  As far as the "worthless piece of paper" comment, I was referring to my own personal situation.  For individuals who gained their basic health physics knowledge from getting their BS, I can understand why they hold it in such high regard.  I personally did not gain my knowledge through that venue.  I have been to college (through the Thomas Edison program mentioned in one post) and only need 18-20 hrs to finish.  No coursework that I have been required to take or any I have left (with the exception of perhaps calculus) has or will increase my level of knowledge of HP.  I was given credit for those thanks to my Navy training and my NRRPT.  So for ME it is worthless (with the exception I would then be "qualified" to sit for the CHP exam).  Why did I not finish you may ask?  Because things like a mortgage, kids, a hectic career which required large amounts of travel came along ( and no..I'm not whining...just listing some reasons why I haven't finished).  I have found other ways that expand the mind, feeds the soul and broadens ones views and opinions.  These include experience, training courses provided by employers and the personal desire to expand my knowledge of HP by taking the initiative to learn on my own (at my age I don't need an instructor telling me what I need to learn...I know my strengths, weaknesses and what I like).  I am at a point in my life now where completing my degree is possible.  If nothing else, I can then sit for the exam and perhaps work on my masters (there I'll learn something!!).
 
I sat for Part 1 back in 1996 trying to grandfather in before the degree requirements came into effect.  Due to similar reasons cited above my one weeks preparation for the exam proved fateful.  I missed passing by 4 points (guess it was that Chem. 101 I never took that did me in!!).  Regardless, I feel confidant about my HP knowledge with the results of my exam score and it was all done with no formal hp education other than that which I mentioned previously.  For those who assert that my "apparent" lack of understanding of why I need a degree is a good indication that I do, I say Hogwash.  For me personally, the only reason I NEED a degree is to become a CHP.  Period!!
 
I still believe that having a BS does not necessarily a good CHP make.  It shows an individual has the ability to complete an ordered set or sequence of steps but does not guarantee their knowledge (believe me I have worked with too many BSHP grads who didn't even grasp the basics).  IMHO, the pinnacle success in our profession is obtaining the title of CHP.  How is that obtained?  By sitting for and successfully completing an exam deemed appropriate by the ABHP.  If an individual has the necessary experience requirement and can pass the exam, they should be certified.  Having a BS degree, again IMHO, in no way shape or form ensures that an individual can pass.  A few folks that responded to my post are of the opinion that all things being equal (CHP w/degree vs. CHP w/o degree) that the degree wins every time.  I disagree strongly.  More and more companies these days (and I see this everyday) are saying in their posting requirements that the want a degree but go on to say " or other combination of experience or education".  I think this is what the ABHP should do.  Evaluate each candidate on his/her OVERALL experience and education.  Having a BS does not make you a CHP...Passing the exam does!!  As far as litigation support, a CHP is THE quintessential representative of the HP profession.  His/her undergraduate history is irrelevant.
 
For those of you who have been able to obtain your BS, MS, Ph.D, JD, etc, I applaud and congratulate you on a job well done.  You and your friends and family should be very proud.  All I ask is that you don't blanket discount those of us not yet (for whatever reason) fortunate enough to match your accomplishment.  Most of us are trying and we would make some damn good CHP's in the interim (and no...I'm still not whining).
 
Respectfully,
 
Mitchell W. Davis, RRPT
Health Physicist
915-697-3523
915-349-4824 Cell
radiation@cox.net
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Sent: Friday, January 24, 2003 6:10 AM
Subject: Re: Non-CHPs in the health physics job market - Opportunities arepresent

If you had one, I doubt you'd consider a college degree "a useless piece of paper..."  While higher education isn't everything, it's a unique accomplishment which generally cannot be duplicated "in the trenches..."

Thinking that you don't need more education is a sure sign that you do.

Rather than whining, I suggest you go back to school.

The opinions expressed are strictly mine.
It's not about dose, it's about trust.
Curies forever.

Bill Lipton
liptonw@dteenergy.com

Mitchell Davis wrote:

... I think it is a travesty that these experienced HP's ( of which I am) with years of on the job experience are not allowed to become CHP's just because (in most cases) they don't have a useless piece of paper that taught them nothing about HP hanging on the wall ( no offence to my colleagues who have this).  Why is it so important that a CHP have a BS degree? ... Mitchell W. Davis, RRPT
Health Physicist
915-697-3523
915-349-4824 Cell
radiation@cox.net
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