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Am looking for moderately priced radiation spill kits to replace
existing ones that we put together years ago for use in a university
unsealed sources research setting. If anyone has a lead as to where to
purchase them, please respond to my e-mail address:
rlarson@research.usf.edu
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>Sent: Monday, November 15, 1999 11:54 AM
>To: Multiple recipients of list
>Subject: RADSAFE digest 2767
>
> RADSAFE Digest 2767
>
>Topics covered in this issue include:
>
> 1) Re: X-rays and Computers
> by Jack & Kris Patterson <jack.kris.patterson@erols.com>
> 2) Airport x-ray exposure study
> by Jack & Kris Patterson <jack.kris.patterson@erols.com>
> 3) brain function and vision
> by FIELDRW@aol.com
> 4) Re: X-rays and Computers
> by "Sandy Perle" <sandyfl@earthlink.net>
> 5) In-flight radiation
> by CARFORA SILVIA <atomica10@home.com>
> 6) Database on environmental radioactivity
> by Jean-Michel Mure <jm.mure@andra.fr>
> 7) RE: Science textbooks
> by "Edwards, Ben E" <bee6783@glaxowellcome.com>
> 8) Re: Airport x-ray exposure study
> by William V Lipton <liptonw@dteenergy.com>
> 9) RE: Airport x-ray exposure study
> by Jim Kost <jkost@mgpi.com>
> 10) Re: HP Program Closure
> by William V Lipton <liptonw@dteenergy.com>
> 11) RE: brain function and vision
> by "Sackett, Greg" <gsackett@admin1.umaryland.edu>
> 12) www.TomPaine.com
> by Chris Alston <alstonc@odrge.odr.georgetown.edu>
> 13) RE: brain function and vision
> by "Franta, Jaroslav" <frantaj@aecl.ca>
> 14) RE: Dose estimates
> by "Elmer, Diane" <Elmer@idns.state.il.us>
> 15) 10CFR20 Subpar H (Respiratory Protection)
> by Lester Slaback <Lester.Slaback@NIST.GOV>
> 16) Tooth Fairy Project
> by "Pombier, Edward C." <epombier@med.miami.edu>
> 17) Extremity Doses for NM
> by "Case, Diane (OD)" <DCase@exchange.nih.gov>
> 18) on site decontamination job
> by "Jonkers, Gert G SIC-ASA" <Gert.G.Jonkers@opc.shell.com>
> 19) Decay properties change at temperature extremes?
> by "Zoon, Robert (OD)" <razoon@exchange.nih.gov>
> 20) Atomic vet doses
> by Philip Hypes <phypes@lanl.gov>
> 21) Re: Tooth Fairy Project
> by "Otto G. Raabe" <ograabe@ucdavis.edu>
> 22) Tooth Fairy Follow up
> by "Pombier, Edward C." <epombier@med.miami.edu>
> 23) Re: Atomic vet doses
> by Mary Jo McGrath <maryjo@lanl.gov>
>
>----------------------------------------------------------------------
>
>Date: Sun, 14 Nov 1999 19:42:04 -0500
>From: Jack & Kris Patterson <jack.kris.patterson@erols.com>
>To: radsafe@romulus.ehs.uiuc.edu
>Subject: Re: X-rays and Computers
>Message-ID: <382F56D9.52CDA7C9@erols.com>
>
>As part of the routine x-ray inspections performed at USDA, I have
>measured the exposure from "typical" baggage scan x-ray units by placing
>a Victoreen 750P on the traveling bed and having the operator scan the
>unit. Exposures ranged from 10-150 micro-R. Obviously this was not the
>most extreme case since no other baggage was included.
>
>The newer CTX units give exposures in the range of 3-10 milli-R using
>the same setup. I feel the baggage scanners are safe and should not
>pose a problem for either computers or film. The CTX units are another
>story and could pose a problem for fast film.
>
>Jack Patterson, CHP
>USDA Radiation Safety Staff
>
>Work phone: 301-504-2445
>E-mail: jpatterson@rss.usda.gov
>
>As always, the contents of my messages are not to be construed as the
>official position of the USDA.
>
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>Date: Sun, 14 Nov 1999 19:55:30 -0500
>From: Jack & Kris Patterson <jack.kris.patterson@erols.com>
>To: radsafe@romulus.ehs.uiuc.edu
>Subject: Airport x-ray exposure study
>Message-ID: <382F59FC.461BDD4B@erols.com>
>
>After posting a reply regarding x-rays and computers, it occurred to me
>that the health physics community can perform a public service.
>
>If any of you have measured the typical dose from an airport baggage
>x-ray unit, please send me the information and I will develop a fact
>sheet regarding the issue of radiation exposure at airports.
>
>The information I would need is:
>Manufacturer, model No and SN of scanner.
>Manufacturer, model No, SN and calibration date of survey meter.
>Airport, date of survey, person performing survey.
>Conditions of survey (meter alone, meter in/next to luggage). A
>carry-on full of clothing would make a good "reference standard".
>
>I will publish the results and make it available on the web after the
>information is compiled. This could be a useful public information
>tool.
>
>Please respond to my personal e-mail using
>jack.kris.patterson@erols.com.
>
>Jack Patterson, CHP
>
>
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>Date: Sun, 14 Nov 1999 20:19:21 EST
>From: FIELDRW@aol.com
>To: radsafe@romulus.ehs.uiuc.edu
>Subject: brain function and vision
>Message-ID: <0.6aa57cc6.2560b999@aol.com>
>
>Radsafers,
>
>While the brain is fairly radioresistant, does anyone have any insights into
>what brain functions might be impaired in individuals exposed to radiation
>similar to those exposed near the criticality accident in Japan? I am
>thinking of multiple step and information processing, learning?
>
>What about vision? Would any effects be expected?
>
>Please respond to me directly at: mailto:bill-field@uiowa.edu
>
>Regards, Bill Field
>
>R. William Field, Ph.D.
>Department of Epidemiology
>College of Public Health
>University of Iowa
>
>bill-field@uiowa.edu
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>Date: Sun, 14 Nov 1999 17:28:10 -0800
>From: "Sandy Perle" <sandyfl@earthlink.net>
>To: radsafe@romulus.ehs.uiuc.edu
>Subject: Re: X-rays and Computers
>Message-ID: <199911150128.RAA02402@harrier.prod.itd.earthlink.net>
>
>> The newer CTX units give exposures in the range of 3-10 milli-R using
>> the same setup.
>
>Jack,
>
>If there are in fact exposures from the newer CTX units ranging up
>to 10 mR, that could affect personnel dosimetry devices, especially
>film dosimeters. This could be a problem, be it a small one, if
>routine mail shipments pass through these units on a frequent
>basis. While the overall exposure is still small, large shipments
>could receive a non-uniform exposure, and, depending on where the
>Control Badges are positioned within the shipment, there may be
>resultant false positives reported.
>
>I suppose the first question is, are the above exposures a rate, or
>final cumulative exposure to a single item? If this is a exposure
>rate, not too bad. If it's a final cumulative exposure, that is another
>thing. Second question would then be, do mail shipments routinely
>pass through these type of units, and if so, how many times in a
>typical flight that crosses several airline flights would the shipment
>be exposed to?
>
>Thanks for the information.
>
>------------------------
>Sandy Perle
>E-Mail: sandyfl@earthlink.net
>Personal Website: http://www.geocities.com/scperle
>
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>Date: Sun, 14 Nov 1999 22:04:09 -0800
>From: CARFORA SILVIA <atomica10@home.com>
>To: radsafe@romulus.ehs.uiuc.edu
>Subject: In-flight radiation
>Message-ID: <382FA259.574FF521@home.com>
>
>Hello,
>
>I read the Radsafe archives on in-flight radiation and I think that crew
>members should be aware of health risks associated with radiation
>exposure.
>Dose monitoring is important, but how can flight crews protect
>themselves from radiation?
>Can individual radiation dose be lowered?
>How can their work environment (the aircraft cabin) be used to help
>lower the levels of radiation, crews are normally exposed to?
>
>I am a student researching in-flight crew radiation exposure and the
>related health risks.
>Any information would be greatly appreciated.
>
>Regards,
>
>Silvia Carfora
>atomica10@home.com
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>Date: Mon, 15 Nov 1999 13:40:29 +0100
>From: Jean-Michel Mure <jm.mure@andra.fr>
>To: RADSAFE@romulus.ehs.uiuc.edu
>Subject: Database on environmental radioactivity
>Message-ID: <3.0.1.32.19991115134029.009b7a70@agate.andra.fr>
>
>Hello Radsafers,
>
>I am trying to find a database that would contain data of natural
>radioactivity in different media such as rivers, lakes, seas, soils,
>grounwater, food ..
>
>Is any of you aware of such a tool that would be accessible via the Internet
>?
>
>
>Thank you,
>
>
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>Date: Mon, 15 Nov 1999 07:58:00 -0500
>From: "Edwards, Ben E" <bee6783@glaxowellcome.com>
>To: "'radsafe@romulus.ehs.uiuc.edu'" <radsafe@romulus.ehs.uiuc.edu>
>Subject: RE: Science textbooks
>Message-ID: <9DEE49E3944DD211974B00805FE663DA01B2FDC3@US4N62>
>
>Radsafers,
>
>Per Ryan Alexander's earlier RADSAFE comment:
>
>"As a husband of a middle school science teacher, I'm just appalled by my
>wife's stories and examples of what I call "scientific ignorance and
>mis-information" passed on by ... textbook authors ... to the children she's
>trying to teach."
>
>The Health Physics Society's Public Education Committee is currently
>gathering forces and making plans to begin reviewing science textbooks and
>providing publishers/authors with constructive feedback. If you're
>interested in joining this crusade, please E-mail me directly [not RADSAFE]
>at the E-mail address below.
>
>Dare to be great! Here's an opportunity for all us nitpickers to help
>ensure they don't use "insure" when they mean "assure"! Fight innumeracy!
>Send me a note if you're interested and together we'll storm the barricades
>of ignorance.
>
>Ben Edwards
>HPS Public Education Committee
>bee6783@glaxowellcome.com
>
>
>
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>Date: Mon, 15 Nov 1999 08:16:01 -0500
>From: William V Lipton <liptonw@dteenergy.com>
>To: radsafe@romulus.ehs.uiuc.edu
>Subject: Re: Airport x-ray exposure study
>Message-ID: <38300791.ED2BB08A@dteenergy.com>
>
>I think that this has already been beaten to death. See NCRP Report No. 95,
>"Radiation Exposure of the U.S. Population from Consumer Products and
>Miscellaneous Sources." This states (page 7): "...Assuming that 30
>million people made those trips and each one was immediately adjacent to the
>inspection system while 2 bags were examined, the average gonadal dose to
>those 30 million people would be about 0.021 uSv (2.1 urem)..." Since the
>"typical" external background dose is approximately 10 urem/hr, this is well
>below the point of ridiculous, even if you're a LNT believer.
>
>As a sensible precaution all of the operators whom I've seen at airports
>wear dosimetry. This would indicate machine malfunction, such as from
>incorrect settings or missing shielding.
>
>Evertything I've seen indicates that the public accepts these devices as
>both a necessary precaution for airline safety, and, also, as preferable to
>having to open luggage for inspection.
>
>It would probably be more worthwhile to explore means of protecting us from
>neutrinos.
>
>The opinions expressed are strictly mine.
>It's not about dose, it's about trust.
>
>Bill Lipton
>liptonw@dteenergy.com
>
>Jack & Kris Patterson wrote:
>
>> After posting a reply regarding x-rays and computers, it occurred to me
>> that the health physics community can perform a public service.
>>
>> If any of you have measured the typical dose from an airport baggage
>> x-ray unit, please send me the information and I will develop a fact
>> sheet regarding the issue of radiation exposure at airports.
>>
>> The information I would need is:
>> Manufacturer, model No and SN of scanner.
>> Manufacturer, model No, SN and calibration date of survey meter.
>> Airport, date of survey, person performing survey.
>> Conditions of survey (meter alone, meter in/next to luggage). A
>> carry-on full of clothing would make a good "reference standard".
>>
>> I will publish the results and make it available on the web after the
>> information is compiled. This could be a useful public information
>> tool.
>>
>> Please respond to my personal e-mail using
>> jack.kris.patterson@erols.com.
>>
>> Jack Patterson, CHP
>>
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>Date: Mon, 15 Nov 1999 08:01:01 -0500
>From: Jim Kost <jkost@mgpi.com>
>To: "'radsafe@romulus.ehs.uiuc.edu'" <radsafe@romulus.ehs.uiuc.edu>
>Subject: RE: Airport x-ray exposure study
>Message-ID: <33F3A166EB59D11180B300A0C97863761E19EE@mgpi_nts4_pdc>
>
>Jack,
>
>Maybe you can direct this to commercial nuclear power plants too. They
>also use the same type of x-ray machines at airports. The RP groups
>probably have survey information/data on these devices.
>
>
>Jim Kost
>Radiological Engineer
>MGP Instruments
>Email: jkost@mgpi.com
>
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: Jack & Kris Patterson [mailto:jack.kris.patterson@erols.com]
>Sent: Sunday, November 14, 1999 8:00 PM
>To: Multiple recipients of list
>Subject: Airport x-ray exposure study
>
>
>After posting a reply regarding x-rays and computers, it occurred to me
>that the health physics community can perform a public service.
>
>If any of you have measured the typical dose from an airport baggage
>x-ray unit, please send me the information and I will develop a fact
>sheet regarding the issue of radiation exposure at airports.
>
>The information I would need is:
>Manufacturer, model No and SN of scanner.
>Manufacturer, model No, SN and calibration date of survey meter.
>Airport, date of survey, person performing survey.
>Conditions of survey (meter alone, meter in/next to luggage). A
>carry-on full of clothing would make a good "reference standard".
>
>I will publish the results and make it available on the web after the
>information is compiled. This could be a useful public information
>tool.
>
>Please respond to my personal e-mail using
>jack.kris.patterson@erols.com.
>
>Jack Patterson, CHP
>
>
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>Date: Mon, 15 Nov 1999 08:19:37 -0500
>From: William V Lipton <liptonw@dteenergy.com>
>To: radsafe@romulus.ehs.uiuc.edu
>Subject: Re: HP Program Closure
>Message-ID: <38300869.8CC96F20@dteenergy.com>
>
>Thanx for letting us know.
>
>One clarification: The health physics program in the Nuclear Engineering
>Department, at U of M, is still active.
>
>Bill Lipton
>
>Dan Marx wrote:
>
>> After 40+ years of serving the HP profession, the Health Physics program
>> at the University of Michigan, School of Public Health, has been closed.
>> For those that have questions, you should contact Jim Martin, PhD, CHP,
>> at the School of Public Health. Current students will finish the program.
>>
>> REGARDS
>>
>> Dan L Marx, MS, MBA
>> U-M, '90
>> School of Public Health
>>
>> DAN L. MARX
>> dmarx01@baker.edu
>> *********************************************************************
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>>
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>Date: Mon, 15 Nov 1999 08:43:47 -0500
>From: "Sackett, Greg" <gsackett@admin1.umaryland.edu>
>To: "'radsafe@romulus.ehs.uiuc.edu'" <radsafe@romulus.ehs.uiuc.edu>
>Subject: RE: brain function and vision
>Message-ID: <5D725C356724D111BED400A0C96FA83D015CB0A5@admin1.umaryland.edu>
>
> Responding to the list in case others are interested...
>
> >While the brain is fairly radioresistant, does anyone have any
>insights into
> >what brain functions might be impaired in individuals exposed to
>radiation
> >similar to those exposed near the criticality accident in Japan? I
>am
> >thinking of multiple step and information processing, learning?
>
> Well I am certainly no expert, but I can tell you that my wife
>received over 6000 rads for a brain tumor using a linear accelerator, and
>she has not experienced any impairment other than hair loss. This was a 3
>beam localized treatment so the whole brain was not irradiated as was done
>just a couple of years ago.
>
>> What about vision? Would any effects be expected?
>>
> Vision is a concern for therapy doses, and they take special care to
>limit dose to the optic nerve. This is one reason why the Gamma Knife was
>developed and is used for tumors close to the optic nerve and other tumors
>in sensitive areas. At a dose of 1700 rem though, I would doubt that you
>would have this problem. Cataracts will be of much greater concern I would
>imagine.
>
> You may wish to contact a radiation oncologist for more detailed
>information.
>
> Regards,
>
> Greg
>
>
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>Date: Mon, 15 Nov 1999 08:54:38 -0500
>From: Chris Alston <alstonc@odrge.odr.georgetown.edu>
>To: radsafe@romulus.ehs.uiuc.edu
>Subject: www.TomPaine.com
>Message-ID: <3.0.32.19991115085438.0079f100@odrge.odr.georgetown.edu>
>
>FYI, folks
>
>There was an ad on the op-ed page of the NYT yesterday, the large type of
>which read "Brace Yourself for Radioactive Belt Buckles, Auto Parts, and
>Orthodontia." This legend was superimposed on a picture of a smiling,
>en-braced, young girl. The ad goes on to discuss the DOE's plans to recycle
>contaminated metals. The "full story" is available on the website named in
>the subject line above.
>
>cja
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>Date: Mon, 15 Nov 1999 09:12:20 -0500
>From: "Franta, Jaroslav" <frantaj@aecl.ca>
>To: "'radsafe@romulus.ehs.uiuc.edu'" <radsafe@romulus.ehs.uiuc.edu>
>Subject: RE: brain function and vision
>Message-ID: <A1C6903E2378CF11A60900805FD4DDF201521FDF@drs02.crl.aecl.ca>
>
>
>Morgan,
>
>this looks like an answer to your question...
>jaro
>
>> ----------
>> From: Sackett, Greg[SMTP:gsackett@admin1.umaryland.edu]
>> Reply To: radsafe@romulus.ehs.uiuc.edu
>> Sent: Monday, November 15, 1999 8:54 AM
>> To: Multiple recipients of list
>> Subject: RE: brain function and vision
>>
>> Responding to the list in case others are interested...
>>
>> >While the brain is fairly radioresistant, does anyone have any
>> insights into
>> >what brain functions might be impaired in individuals exposed to
>> radiation
>> >similar to those exposed near the criticality accident in Japan? I
>> am
>> >thinking of multiple step and information processing, learning?
>>
>> Well I am certainly no expert, but I can tell you that my wife
>> received over 6000 rads for a brain tumor using a linear accelerator, and
>> she has not experienced any impairment other than hair loss. This was a 3
>> beam localized treatment so the whole brain was not irradiated as was done
>> just a couple of years ago.
>>
>> > What about vision? Would any effects be expected?
>> >
>> Vision is a concern for therapy doses, and they take special care to
>> limit dose to the optic nerve. This is one reason why the Gamma Knife was
>> developed and is used for tumors close to the optic nerve and other tumors
>> in sensitive areas. At a dose of 1700 rem though, I would doubt that you
>> would have this problem. Cataracts will be of much greater concern I
>> would
>> imagine.
>>
>> You may wish to contact a radiation oncologist for more detailed
>> information.
>>
>> Regards,
>>
>> Greg
>>
>>
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>Date: Mon, 15 Nov 1999 08:22:34 -0600
>From: "Elmer, Diane" <Elmer@idns.state.il.us>
>To: "'radsafe@romulus.ehs.uiuc.edu'" <radsafe@romulus.ehs.uiuc.edu>
>Subject: RE: Dose estimates
>Message-ID: <707BAD4DB3FFD211BE71AA000400C804414259@VIKING.IDNS.STATE.IL.US>
>
>I formerly worked with a consulting group who serviced the Mallinckrodt
>radiopharmacies. Two of my associates wrote an article which was published
>(I believe in the Journal of Nuclear Medicine Technology) on this topic. I
>think it was in 1993 or 1994. If you don't have access to it, e-mail me
>directly (elmer@idns.state.il.us) and I'll look through my personal copies
>for it.
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: Engelbretson, David A. [mailto:DEngelbret@tmh.tmc.edu]
>Sent: Friday, November 12, 1999 3:43 PM
>To: Multiple recipients of list
>Subject: Dose estimates
>
>
>Would anyone know of some good resources that describe dose estimates to
>hands and fingers from handling nuclear medicine radiopharmaceuticals?
>
>Thank you for your help.
>
>David Engelbretson, MS
>Asst. RSO
>Methodist Hospital
>Houston, Texas
>
>dengelbret@tmh.tmc.edu
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>Date: Mon, 15 Nov 1999 09:56:09 -0500
>From: Lester Slaback <Lester.Slaback@NIST.GOV>
>To: radsafe@romulus.ehs.uiuc.edu
>Subject: 10CFR20 Subpar H (Respiratory Protection)
>Message-ID: <4.1.19991115092220.00aac100@mailserver3.nist.gov>
>
>1. Be aware that the revised rule was published in Sept.
>2. For those who were concerned about the use of respirators where no
>credit is taken for the respirator use note that NRC, in their statements
>of consideration, specifically exclude this as a basis for using a
>respirator in an area with licensed material involvement. BUT, the
>situation is somewhat ambiguous with regard to such incidental exposure.
>
>20.1703 starts " If the licensee assigns or permits the use of respiratory
>protection equipment to limit the intake of radioactive material ..... "
>The Statements of Consideration define "limit the intake" in a way that
>allows incidental exposure. Note that this term is not defined in the rule
>or the reg guide so you better hang on to the S of C.
>But, the reg guide requires 1703 "... unless the device is clearly and
>exclusively used for protection against non radiological hazards." Similar
>statements appear in the S of C.
>Hence my feeling of ambiguity.
>
>I am privately assured that the intent is to allow incidental exposure for
>respirator usage for non radiological purposes, but it would appear that
>there is a very thin line between allowed and excluded usage.
>This topic was discussed last year when the rule was proposed, and it was
>clear that many thought by simply not taking credit they could avoid the
>20.1703 program requirement. I suggest a careful reading of 64FR54543.
>
>
>Disclaimer: the above are the personal musings of the author, and do not
>represent any past, present, or future position of NIST, the U.S. government,
>or anyone else who might think that they are in a position of authority.
>Lester Slaback, Jr. [Lester.Slaback@NIST.GOV]
>NBSR Health Physics
>Center for Neutron Research
>NIST
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>Date: Mon, 15 Nov 1999 10:21:15 -0500
>From: "Pombier, Edward C." <epombier@med.miami.edu>
>To: "'radsafe@romulus.ehs.uiuc.edu'" <radsafe@romulus.ehs.uiuc.edu>
>Subject: Tooth Fairy Project
>Message-ID: <1787946BA679D211818300A0C9992A2C1F2F0F@medex05.med.miami.edu>
>
>Radsafers,
>
>I was contacted last Friday by a reporter from one of our local independent
>TV stations regarding the recent press releases from
>our friends at the "Tooth Fairy Project". Although I did my best to convey
>the problems with the study, she still seems to want an on camera interview
>this afternoon, which she is supposed to arrange through our Public
>Relations Department.
>
>If this comes to pass, I am looking for factual information to clearly
>indicate the nature of the science in use by this group.
>So far I have Otto Rabe's message of November 4, Jerry Rosen's message of
>November 4, Claude Flory's message of November 5, and Laurie Taylor's
>message of March 10. Additionally, I have the commentary by Dade Moeller
>and Steven Merwin on Gould's book that appeared in the 1996 HPS Newsletter.
>Unfortunately, the Tooth Fairy people have already warned her that anyone in
>health physics is a shill for the nuclear power companies and not to be
>trusted. She was asking me for someone outside of the profession who could
>serve as an unbiased judge of the merits of the study. Any suggestions?
>
>If anyone has any other strong citations that might be of use, please
>contact me directly as soon as possible.
>
>Edward Pombier
>Director and R.S.O.
>University of Miami
>Radiation Control Center
>epombier@miami.edu
>(305) 243-6369
>
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>Date: Mon, 15 Nov 1999 10:13:59 -0500
>From: "Case, Diane (OD)" <DCase@exchange.nih.gov>
>To: "'radsafe@romulus.ehs.uiuc.edu'" <radsafe@romulus.ehs.uiuc.edu>
>Subject: Extremity Doses for NM
>Message-ID: <B9E892A5AB42D21187AB00805FEA1A2F0212AD27@nihexchange6.nih.gov>
>
>See NCRP Report No. 124. "Sources and Magnitude of Occupational Exposures
>From
>Nuclear Medicine Procedures."
>
>Three year's worth of data shows me that the extremity doses of Nuclear
>Medicine
>Technologists at our facility hover around
>250-350 mrem per year. There is of course, that one person who does more
>work
>than others, or is the first person in the morning to do QC/QA activities, or
>may fill in for the radiopharmacist. That person received the highest annual
>dose: 600-650 mrem. Whole body doses are either equal or less except in
>rare
>cases.
>
>Regarding whole body doses: "Numerous groups have estimated that medical
>radiation workers in the United States receive annual effective doses between
>2.5 and 5 mSv. Doses will vary with the individual and the task." (pp.
>9-10).
>The 2.5 - 5 mSv is definitely on the mark for us (we are about 2.5-4 mSv).
>
>Of course, there are so many factors which contribute to individual dose,
>especially to the extremities: the radionuclide, the activity,
>technologist's
>injection aptitude, how far away the work station (computers, etc.)is to the
>patient, how long the technologist stays in the room, level of patient
>handling
>needs, etc.
>
>Positron Emission Tomography (PET) technologists are quite different. They
>receive an average of 4-5 rem to their fingers annually, with an occasional 6
>rem, and about 250-400 mrem to the whole body annually. Of course we perform
>exposure investigations at 10% and at 30% of the NRC limits (even though not
>NRC
>regulated material). We find these doses are generally commensurate with the
>technologist's duties. And - these PET technologists are incredibly
>talented.
>
>Diane Case, Ph.D, CHP
>
>
>
>Rob Kraken stated the following:
>
>> You might check with a good dosimetry vendor like ICN
>pharmaceuticlas in Costa Mesa,CA @ 1-714-545-0100 ask for
>Sandy Perle-asst technical director. I'm sure he could provide
>common doses received from ring dosimeters etc.. RobK
>honolulu@u1st.com<
>
>Engelbretson, David A. wrote:
>
>> Would anyone know of some good resources that describe dose
>> estimates to hands and fingers from handling nuclear medicine
>> radiopharmaceuticals?
>
>> Thank you for your help.
>>
>> David Engelbretson, MS
>> Asst. RSO
>> Methodist Hospital
>> Houston, Texas
>
>-----------------------
>Sandy Perle
>Technical Director
>ICN Dosimetry Division
>3300 Hyland Avenue
>Costa Mesa, CA 92626
>(800) 548-5100 x2306
>(714) 668-3149 Fax
>
>sperle@icnpharm.com
>sandyfl@earthlink.net
>
>
>
>Diane L. Case, Ph.D., CHP
>Senior Health Physicist
>NIH Radiation Safety Branch
>Building 21
>Bethesda, MD 20892-6780
>
>Phone: (301) 496-5774
>Fax: (301) 496-3544
>Email: dcase@nih.gov
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>Date: Mon, 15 Nov 1999 16:38:46 +0100
>From: "Jonkers, Gert G SIC-ASA" <Gert.G.Jonkers@opc.shell.com>
>To: "'norm-tenorm@mailhub.ornl.gov'" <norm-tenorm@mailhub.ornl.gov>,
>Subject: on site decontamination job
>Message-ID: <61FD943C6C2ED111A62700805F85AEE40215B34D@AMSS501>
>
>L.S.,
>
>One of our operating companies has some surface NORM-contaminated objects,
>which should be decontaminated on-site. Potentially the removed
>NORM-material has to be disposed as well. Consequently I am looking for
>reliable contractors who are capable of doing this job. Can someone out
>there recommend a NORM-contractor. Please contact me at my e-mail address
>and do not answer to the list, unless you feel that the information provided
>is beneficial for more people. Many thanks in advance.
>
>Kind Regards, Gert Jonkers
>ASA - Amsterdam Services Analytical 'Special Projects'
>Shell Research and Technology Centre, Amsterdam (SRTCA),
>http://www.srtca.shell.nl/welcome.html
>PO Box 38000, NL-1030 BN Amsterdam, the Netherlands
>tel. +31 - 20 - 630 3424
>fax +31 - 20 - 630 2911
>e-mail Gert.G.Jonkers@OPC.Shell.COM
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>Date: Mon, 15 Nov 1999 10:49:20 -0500
>From: "Zoon, Robert (OD)" <razoon@exchange.nih.gov>
>To: "'radsafe@romulus.ehs.uiuc.edu'" <radsafe@romulus.ehs.uiuc.edu>
>Subject: Decay properties change at temperature extremes?
>Message-ID: <B9E892A5AB42D21187AB00805FEA1A2F0194FC36@nihexchange6.nih.gov>
>
>Dear Radsafer's:
>
>One of our scientists has posed the question below and I said that, although
>I
>believe the answer is no from everything I have been taught about radioactive
>decay, I would try to see if any research has been done in this area:
>
>The question is: Is there any change in the decay properties of alpha or
>beta
>emitters at extremes of temperature, either high or low? His specific range
>of
>interest was 0 - 500 degrees Kelvin. I wouldn't expect any change at 500 K,
>which is only about 227 degrees C. However, a lot of strange things happen
>as
>materials approach absolute zero.
>
>Any help would be greatly appreciated, even a contact at a university or
>research laboratory.
>
>Bob Zoon
>Radiation Safety Officer, NIH
>301-496-2254
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>Date: Mon, 15 Nov 1999 08:49:38 -0700
>From: Philip Hypes <phypes@lanl.gov>
>To: radsafe@romulus.ehs.uiuc.edu
>Subject: Atomic vet doses
>Message-ID: <199911151554.JAA19709@romulus.ehs.uiuc.edu>
>
>I've spent quite some time trying to find a reference on the web that gives
>an idea of the doses the atomic veterans were exposed to. No luck
>whatsoever. The closest I've come is some detailed analysis of the quality
>of the dosimetry that was conducted in conjunction with the tests. Can
>anyone give me an idea of the current best estimates of the doses involved?
>___________________________________________________________
>Philip Hypes
>Los Alamos National Laboratory
>Safeguards Science and Technology Group (NIS 5)
>(505) 667-1556 phypes@lanl.gov
>
>Opinions expressed are purely my own unless otherwise noted
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>Date: Mon, 15 Nov 1999 07:54:12 -0800
>From: "Otto G. Raabe" <ograabe@ucdavis.edu>
>To: radsafe@romulus.ehs.uiuc.edu
>Cc: "Pombier, Edward C." <epombier@med.miami.edu>
>Subject: Re: Tooth Fairy Project
>Message-ID: <3.0.1.32.19991115075412.0069706c@mailbox.ucdavis.edu>
>
>November 15, 1999
>Davis, CA
>
>In response to Ed's question about explaining the Tooth Fairy Project to
>the media, my approach would be to start by showing them pages 18 and 19 in
>BEIR V (1990) which shows that fallout and nuclear fuel cycle exposures of
>the public to ionizing radiation are less than 1% of the normal annual
>exposures that every American receives. This includes exposures to traces
>of radiostrontium. There is no known or expected hazard associated with
>normal levels of background radiation exposure. The National Academy of
>Sciences is a respected source of this information.
>
>Also, note that the current radiation protection standards fully protect
>the public from exposure to hazardous levels of ionizing radiation and
>people are not being overexposed.
>
>Tell the media that the Tooth Fairy People are relatives of Chicken Little!
>They exagerate the importance of tiny radiation exposures beyond all
>reason. Even somewhat larger exposures such as those received in travel by
>commercial air, moving to Denver, etc., are not hazardous.
>
>Also, try not to use the words "dose" or "risk" since the media associate
>different meanings to these four-letter words than we do. These words will
>confuse them, and you may be misquoted if you use them.
>
>I hope this helps...
>
>Otto
>
> *****************************************************
> Prof. Otto G. Raabe, Ph.D., CHP
> Institute of Toxicology & Environmental Health (ITEH)
> (Street address: Building 3792, Old Davis Road)
> University of California, Davis, CA 95616
> Phone: 530-752-7754 FAX: 530-758-6140
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>Date: Mon, 15 Nov 1999 11:13:25 -0500
>From: "Pombier, Edward C." <epombier@med.miami.edu>
>To: "'radsafe@romulus.ehs.uiuc.edu'" <radsafe@romulus.ehs.uiuc.edu>
>Subject: Tooth Fairy Follow up
>Message-ID: <1787946BA679D211818300A0C9992A2C1F2F10@medex05.med.miami.edu>
>
>Radsafers,
>
>As a follow up to my previous request, I have been informed that the study
>has been accepted for publication in both the International Journal of
>Health Services, which is "a multidisciplinary publication devoted to health
>and social policy, political economy and sociology, history and philosophy,
>ethics and law", and the European Journal of Oncology, about which I cannot
>find any information. Does anyone know anything about the second Journal.
>Additionally is anyone familiar with the first Journal, which is edited by a
>Dr. Vincente Navarro from the Johns Hopkins School of Hygeine and Public
>Health.
>
>Please respond to me directly.
>
>
>Edward Pombier
>Director and R.S.O.
>University of Miami
>Radiation Control Center
>epombier@miami.edu
>(305) 243-6369
>
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>Date: Mon, 15 Nov 1999 09:44:12 -0700
>From: Mary Jo McGrath <maryjo@lanl.gov>
>To: radsafe@romulus.ehs.uiuc.edu
>Subject: Re: Atomic vet doses
>Message-ID: <4.1.19991115091802.00a31f00@beasley.lanl.gov>
>
>Speaking of Veterans Day and Vets...I want to offer the
>following story. It is sobering.
>MJ
>
>>To: Walden David C. LtCol 375OSS;
>>Subject: Fw: Hanoi Jane
>>
>>----- Original Message -----
>>From: Zoltan Kristof <natloz@worldnet.att.net>
>>Sent: Sunday, October 17, 1999 4:42 PM
>>Subject: Hanoi Jane
>>
>>> Looks like Hanoi Jane may be honored as one
>>>of the "100 Women of the Century". JANE FONDA
>>>remembered? Unfortunately many have forgotten
>>> and still countless others have never known how
>>>Ms. Fonda betrayed not only the idea of our "country"
>>>but the men who served and sacrificed during Vietnam.
>>> There are few things I have strong visceral reactions
>>>to, but Jane Fonda's participation in what I believe to be
>>>blatant treason, is one of them. Part of my conviction
>>>comes from exposure to those who suffered her
>>> attentions. The first part of this is from an F-4E
>>> pilot. The pilot's name is Jerry Driscoll, a River Rat.
>>>In 1978, the Commandant of the USAF Survival School
>>>was a former POW in Ho Lo Prison-the "Hanoi Hilton".
>>> Dragged from a stinking cesspit of a cell, cleaned, fed, and
>>> dressed in clean PJs, he was ordered to describe for a visiting
>>> American "Peace Activist" the "lenient and humane treatment" he'd
>>> received. He spat at Ms. Fonda, was clubbed, and dragged away.
>>> During the subsequent beating, he fell forward upon the camp
>>> Commandant's feet, accidentally pulling the man's shoe off-which
>>> sent that officer berserk. In '78, the AF Col still suffered from
>>> double vision (which permanently ended his flying days) from the
>>> Vietnamese Col's frenzied application of wooden baton.
>>> From 1983-85, Col Larry Carrigan was the 347FW/DO
>>>(F-4Es). He spent 6 years in the "Hilton"-the first three of
>>>which he was "missing in action". His wife lived on faith
>>>that he was still alive. His group, too, got the cleaned/fed/clothed
>>>routine in preparation for a "peace delegation" visit.
>>> They, however, had time and devised a plan to get word to the
>>> world that they still survived. Each man secreted a tiny piece of
>>> paper, with his SSN on it, in the palm of his hand. When paraded
>>> before Ms. Fonda and a cameraman, she walked the line, shaking
>>> each man's hand and asking little encouraging snippets like: "Aren't
>>> you sorry you bombed babies?" and "Are you grateful for the humane
>>> treatment from your benevolent captors?"
>>> Believing this HAD to be an act, they each palmed her their
>>> sliver of paper. She took them all without missing a beat. At the
>>> end of the line and once the camera stopped rolling, to the shocked
>>> disbelief of the POWs, she turned to the officer in charge...and
>>> handed him the little pile.
>>> Three men died from the subsequent beatings. Col Carrigan
>>>was almost number four. For years after their release, a group of
>>> determined former POWs Including Col Carrigan, tried to bring Ms.
>>> Fonda and others up on charges of treason. Her obvious "granting of
>>> aid and comfort to the enemy", alone, should've been sufficient for
>>> the treason count. However, to date, Jane Fonda has never been
>>> formally charged with anything and continues to enjoy the privileged
>>> life of the rich and famous. I, personally, think that this is
>>> shame on us, the American Citizenry. Part of our shortfall is
>>> ignorance: most don't know such actions ever took place.
>>>Thought you might appreciate the knowledge.
>>>
>>> To whom it may concern:
>>> I was a civilian economic development advisor in Vietnam, and was
>>> captured by the North Vietnamese communists in South Vietnam in
>>> 1968, and held for over 5 years. I spent 27 months in solitary
>>> confinement, one year in a cage in Cambodia, and one year in a
>>> "black box" in Hanoi. My North Vietnamese captors deliberately
>>> poisoned and murdered a female missionary, a nurse in a leprosarium
>>> in Ban me Thuot, SouthVietnam, whom I buried in the jungle near the
>>> Cambodian border. At one time, I was weighing approximately 90 lbs.
>>> (My normal weight is 170 lbs.) We were Jane Fonda's "war
>>> criminals."
>>>
>>> When Jane Fonda was in Hanoi, I was asked by the camp communist
>>> political officer if I would be willing to meet with Jane Fonda. I
>>> said yes, for I would like to tell her about the real treatment we
>>> POWs were receiving, which was far different from the treatment
>>> purported by the North Vietnamese, and parroted by Jane Fonda, as
>>> "humane and lenient."
>>>
>>> Because of this, I spent three days on a rocky floor on my knees with
>>> outstretched arms with a piece of steel placed on my hands, and beaten
>>> with a bamboo cane every time my arms dipped.
>>>
>>> I had the opportunity to meet with Jane Fonda for a couple of hours
>>> after I was released. I asked her if she would be willing to debate
>>> me on TV. She did not answer me; her former husband, Tom Hayden,
>>> answered for her. This does not exemplify someone who should be
>>> honored as "100 Years of Great Women."
>>>
>>> After I was released, I was asked what I thought of Jane Fonda
>>> and the anti-war movement. I said that I held Joan Baez's
>>> husband in very high regard, for he thought the war was wrong,
>>> burned his draft card and went to prison in protest. If the other
>>> anti-war protesters took this same route, it would have brought
>>> our judicial system to a halt and ended the war much earlier,
>>> and there wouldn't be as many on that somber black granite
>>> wall called the Vietnam Memorial. This is democracy. This
>>> is the American way.
>>>
>>> Jane Fonda, on the other hand, chose to be a traitor, and went to
>>> Hanoi, wore their uniform, propagandized for the communists, and
>>> urged American soldiers to desert. As we were being tortured, and
>>> some of the POWs murdered, she called us liars. After her
>>> heroes-the North Vietnamese communists-took over South Vietnam,
>>> they systematically murdered 80,000 South Vietnamese political
>>> prisoners. May their souls rest on her head forever. Shame! Shame!
>>> (History is a heavy sword in the hands of those who refuse to forget
>>> it. Think of this the next time you see Ms. Fonda-Turner at a
>>> Braves game).
>>>
>>> Please take the time to read and forward to as many people as you
>>> possibly can. It will eventually end up on her computer and she
>>> needs to know that "we will never forget". Lest we forget..."100
>>> years of great women" Jane Fonda should never be considered.
>
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